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RE: Kafra Increase Weight skill - Little Sara - 05-16-2009
Blacksmiths with low STR can still carry about 4000+8000 around. It would diminish only the proportion of which they dominate other classes, even STR classes. Instead of having 3-4x more max weight, they'd have 2~2.5x more.
Assassin/Rogue with 90 base STR -> 5100 max weight
Blacksmith with 90 base STR without Enlarge Weight -> 5700 max weight
with Enlarge weight 10 -> 7700 max weight + 8000 weight cart
Hunter with 1 base STR -> 2730 max weight
Priest with 1 base STR -> 2630 max weight
Super Novice with 1 base STR -> 2030 max weight
with Enlarge weight 10 -> 4030 max weight + 8000 weight cart (possibly)
Knight/Crusader without Peco with 90 base STR -> 5500 max weight
with Peco -> 6500 max weight
GC Crusader with 50 base STR on Peco -> 5300 max weight
Super Novice caster build can still carry 12000.
Low strength Crusader can still carry a lot.
It would make Priest and Hunter and similar no-STR classes able to carry minimal things (much like Assassin/Rogue, who do not even need consumable save for potions, no blue gems, no holy waters).
RE: Kafra Increase Weight skill - JJJ - 05-16-2009
but thats the point!
hunters aren't suppose to be able to carry 50 000 arrows on them!
priests aren't suppose to be able to carry 10 000 blue gems on them!
its a way to keep things in balance lol do assassins need to carry a ton of blue gems or arrows? not really at most they'd carry venom knives and some pots just like how a knight doesn't need to carry gems or anything liek that xD
RE: Kafra Increase Weight skill - Little Sara - 05-16-2009
That's the point? Huh? So you have a weight limit so you don't use it?
I don't understand.
50,000 arrows is too heavy even with enlarge 10, even if its the 0.1 arrow, that's 5000 weight.
10,000 blue gems weights 30,000.
It's about you know, being able to actually loot stuff. You kill you loot, not you kill you leave it on the ground cause its heavy.
RE: Kafra Increase Weight skill - GM-Ayu - 05-16-2009
another difference between pet and player weight: just because you have it available to you nearby doesn't mean you actually have it ON you.
Let's say your poring pet has 3000 blue gems, the priest carries 90 as well. Does that actually mean the priest can cause SW/Ress 3090 times? Not without stopping to get it from the pet. Readily available cast remains at just 90.
An actual increase in actual weight, it boosts your "readily available consumables" as well, and not so much a storage of consumables/whatnot.
J J J summed it up how some class shouldn't be carrying as much as another class. Gym passes don't give linear boost to all classes (sometimes after a certain break point, you worry a bit less about running out of pots to tank out the attack, but you worry about being OHKOed due to bad/slow equipment switching.) Extra weight, you can carry more stuff. Does it still help a Paladin to carry more whites and blues? Absolutely. Does it help endurance? certainly yes, but nothing game changing. Does it help a sniper carry more whites and blues? HELL YES. Does it help endurance? You go up from potentially living one attack to living 3 times the length.
in heRO there's backpacks which you may see from players vending it that can boost your weight and it's only a lower headgear (thus visible and interrupts wing equipment), so that can relieve your weight problem a bit.
If you can't carry your loot, then make more trips. Classes with low weight generally don't need to carry as much pots (thus, expenses) in grinds either because they can attack from a distance to reduce the need for healing. High str classes burns more items, but they don't need to make short trips because of it. It all balances out.
RE: Kafra Increase Weight skill - Cheesecake - 05-16-2009
HeRO backpacks are sort of ridiculous to add into this equation as there are few in curculation ans if you wernt there THAT DAY you mayswell just stare at them on people's backs, as you aint gettin one unless you pay up the ass.
Also, you cant make a pet carry an item that stacks more then you can hold. If you make a poring hold 900 blue gems they will drop: "Blue gem (900)" and you will never EVER be able to get it back ever again.
RE:??Kafra Increase Weight skill - GM-Ayu - 05-16-2009
Cheesecake Wrote:HeRO backpacks are sort of ridiculous to add into this equation as there are few in curculation ans if you wernt there THAT DAY you mayswell just stare at them on people's backs, as you aint gettin one unless you pay up the ass.
Well it's not special or limited edition for a celebration of a birthday if you get it every other time hm?
Quote:Also, you cant make a pet carry an item that stacks more then you can hold. If you make a poring hold 900 blue gems they will drop: "Blue gem (900)" and you will never EVER be able to get it back ever again.
Well you made that stack somehow in the first place, right? Whoever made the stack, certainly can pick it up as well.
Unless of course, some GM drops a stack of 30,000 GTB card for your poring to loot.
RE: Kafra Increase Weight skill - Little Sara - 05-16-2009
Quote:Well it's not special or limited edition for a celebration of a birthday if you get it every other time hm?
But its also not readily available. It's like telling people who want +attack to get Butterfly wings. Not everyone has 20 or 40 million stashed up.
Btw if a Sniper goes around with a looter pet, he can put stacks of 2000 or 3500 arrows (at 0.3 or 0.5 weight) and effectively have 30,000 or 50,000 arrows with him.
Having +2000 weight but disabling pets means he could only carry 4000 more arrows (if he doesn't mind being overweight), or 2000 arrows to remain under 50%. That's a lot less than 30,000.
The pet dropping 3500 *0.3 weight arrows isn't a problem as long as you can pick it up. If its too heavy (over 50% weight) you drop 1500 from it and your pet picks it back up.
The pet thing is a lot more abuseable than having more weight on you.
Having 3000 bgems in a pet which you can restock every 200 resurrection/ME is a lot more abuseable than being able to carry 300 more on you (they weight 3 right?). You just need to find a spot with no monster for a big 5 seconds, or at least avoid dying for those 5 seconds while your pet loots it back.
I went to Nameless earlier, and its entirely possible to do it even over there.
RE: Kafra Increase Weight skill - Cheesecake - 05-16-2009
You are saying "If you want Inc limit, then get a hero backpack!"
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lol
Okay, I tried that, and my time machine didn't work.
RE: Kafra Increase Weight skill - GM-Ayu - 05-16-2009
erm if we're talking about nameless as a 'challenging dungeon' to test out if there's time to restock from pet, i was more thinking of mvps...
Either way, we are definitely not going to add gym passes. Str remains your primary source of increasing your weight. Just like how sometimes even the knights get sp to get some fuel, likewise ranged/casters will need to get some str if you want weight.
RE: Kafra Increase Weight skill - Little Sara - 05-16-2009
You need more than 200 bgems for a MVP?
I never really MVPed before on a priest, but this sounds a bit much.