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RE:??Sugg: Falcon Trigger - Little Sara - 05-20-2009
Ellie Wrote:You also left out any Agi giving cards in the shoes... Like.. Iunno. MTB card giving +2?
Edit: Regarding the whole 190 ASPD bit. <<
I put Thanatos Odium in shoes, giving +4 agi
Thanatos Odium:
-5 agi +1 agi per refine rate.
And it "combos" with Black Leather Boots who gives 3 agi at +9-10
Try your luck for +10 Black Leather Boots[1] if you're really that rich or lucky though, you'll gain 1 more agi
RE: Sugg: Falcon Trigger - Ellie - 05-20-2009
Yeah. I editted my last post again before this was posted. XD
Must have done so in your typing time.
RE: Sugg: Falcon Trigger - Zaratus - 05-20-2009
A 190 aspd sniper doesn't use SP. And deals more dmg than her shitty falconeer.
No, you don't need cecil cards.
There is no +10 agi headgear. You can reach 190 aspd with ulles, puppy hat or any other agi headgear. Not custom.
And the gear isn't like OMFG SO GOOD I WON'T MENTION IT, it's more like that not everyone wants to know everybody what gears he uses. I wouldn't post my High Priest gear and build in forums. I doubt that ANYONE would do that.
The gear I will use to reach 190 aspd as sniper is pretty basic. Well, you will need to spend more like 2 mil. But Morrigane's set is ~20 mil too. And for 20 mil I am pretty sure to be able to gather the needed equips for 190 aspd.
Whatever min-maxing might be.
And you can't calculate the falcon as attackspeed, it doesn't work like that.
And yeah, your build isn't the best.
And if you want to party as sniper, you MIGHT have a professor with you who can support your DS spam. As 190 aspd sniper you STILL can DS pretty good with VERY high damage.
And most high priests don't get gloria. Apart from that Gloria has an ugly delay which COULD fk the party up in higher level dungeons.
RE: Sugg: Falcon Trigger - Aaronock - 05-20-2009
To be honest, I must say you are better off going for a standard agi/dex or dex/int sniper build rather than build around the falcon and try to fit in luck and crap too.??Your aspd in agi build should trigger the falcon more, so even if it does less damage you will hopefully make it activate more often to make up for this.
Morri set is horrible usually too I think.??Only useful in a few situations, vanberk and puppy hat are way better for critting with along with using those sweet sweet crit wep cards like Steam Goblin and Cruiser, and etc.??
Then again I haven't been half serious about the hunter class since...god like 4 years ago now (damn this topic proved my age as an RO player).
Edit: Dammit Ayantis, you stole half my post ideas and posted like 10 secs before me D:
RE: Sugg: Falcon Trigger - GM-Ayu - 05-20-2009
Factoring crit as a source of damage if you don't have dex is the same as saying that a GC Paladin can still kill holy elemental enemies because you can still bash. No SP usage in the context of higher end dungeon is not an arguable point at all. You don't need to party in places that doesn't need you to use SP. In pvm party context, you BETTER be using SP or else you're probably not contributing as much as you should be in the party. heRO already ease your pain in this department with fish rather than using blue pot in every single go. If you're going to say that the free SP usage can be used to fuel endless true sight, it's not going to happen. I'm pretty sure I have the highest int out of every sniper in the server and I can't fuel endless true sight at my 85 int without items, or sitting down for awhile to regen SP.
lol Aaron don't quote me on int/dex build being "viable" as it's really not XD It only works for me because my sniper is only meant to farm in a few places that my SL cannot go XD; int/dex gives 0 item maintenance, last a long time in the context of gear hunting and is sufficient in mid level dungeons, but if you're hoping for pvm party, it's not a very good build to use.
Auto blitz beat is really a for fun only build, and no one's preventing you on using it if you find it fun. But if you're going to bring out pages after pages of math to talk about it in a min-max situation, then I'll sadly have to say, gravity does not permit any efficient PvM sniper build except DS spam or sharpshoot (and for hunter, nothing but DS spam.)
RE: Sugg: Falcon Trigger - Aaronock - 05-20-2009
High end parties should always have SP Song from Dancer/Gypsy or prof or both. Well I was going to say dex/int sniper is only okay too if you are trying to get some levels and are needing a newbie build, but even then its probably best to go agi/dex like you said.
Thank god we're not hitting WoE in this topic as that's a whole nother can of worms for builds ;O
RE:??Sugg: Falcon Trigger - Little Sara - 05-20-2009
Aaronock Wrote:To be honest, I must say you are better off going for a standard agi/dex or dex/int sniper build rather than build around the falcon and try to fit in luck and crap too.??Your aspd in agi build should trigger the falcon more, so even if it does less damage you will hopefully make it activate more often to make up for this.
Morri set is horrible usually too I think.??Only useful in a few situations, vanberk and puppy hat are way better for critting with along with using those sweet sweet crit wep cards like Steam Goblin and Cruiser, and etc.??
Then again I haven't been half serious about the hunter class since...god like 4 years ago now (damn this topic proved my age as an RO player).
Edit: Dammit Ayantis, you stole half my post ideas and posted like 10 secs before me D:
Vanberk activates for 5 seconds and procs at 0.5% rate.
Even with 190 aspd, it only proc every 200 hits, which means only every 40 seconds.
I don't want to DS, I like saving my SP and not needing a SP-slave or 200 fish on me at all times or blue pots since they're lighter (you don't exactly need the HP regen part of fish if you spam SP only).
Puppy Hat will trigger every 7 seconds if you never stop killing at 190 aspd.
190 aspd 10% proc (which means 27 total LUK) will trigger Falcon every 10 hits. Or exactly every 2 seconds.
My build at 182 aspd will trigger the falcon every 3 hits, or every 1.05 seconds. With agi up it goes higher, and add gloria and its 0.75 second proc.
Add gloria to the dex build and its every 1 second.
I guess the difference is that I dont rely on agi up and gloria, or big parties in general. I like small 2-3 people parties.
@ GM-Ayu
114 DEX is not "no dex" thanks.
Edit: And as far as contributing by using SP, my crit sin is a no-sp-usage build that can reach 90% weight and never carry any SP-healing item. For high-end stuff I rely on a priest for heals and buffs. If it can one-shot me I'm not going there anyways.
RE: Sugg: Falcon Trigger - GM-Ayu - 05-20-2009
Little Sara Wrote:114 DEX is not "no dex" thanks.
For a main damage attribute stat, I don't think that because it's not 1 it constitutes as 'something' already for a final build
(and if you do insist on 114 dex being enough, you might as well lower it to 110 as the 4 extra dex isn't helping you a lot. Move it to elsewhere to boost another stat so that it actually matters.)
RE: Sugg: Falcon Trigger - Zaratus - 05-20-2009
Right, Puppy Hat triggers every 7 seconds. With Gloria level 1. So theoretically you have infinite gloria. Without delays. Top that at 190 aspd. 30 Luk = 10% falcon rate = 1 falcon attack per 2 seconds. And normally you will get 30 luk at 190 aspd anyways, so TADAAAA 1 falcon attack per second. And if it doesn't triggers, well, you have STILL 1 falcon attack each 2 seconds. AND nice hits. Which you don't have.
You overrate the falcon. Its damage is a joke, even with High Int. If you get Dex instead your NORMAL HITS (not crits!) will hit as hard as the falcon. And they come... 5 times a second OMG.
And as 190 aspd sniper you don't REALLY need a priest, it just makes things much easier. Like in your build. But you build stays fail even with a priest. And if you have 190 aspd sniper+priest it is still a small party. 2 people. Just if you can't count. Like you can't count the damage.
Edit: And whoever gets 114 dex as sniper (as ayu said, the 4 dex above 110 are crap AND it is too low dmg for the normal hits (and crits, since you refer to your epic critrate, if you didn't know it before: the damage of crits depends on your atk which depends on your DEX)), should really think about changing to another class. Or maybe another game.
RE: Sugg: Falcon Trigger - Sakurato - 05-20-2009
Little Sara Wrote:I don't want to DS, I like saving my SP and not needing a SP-slave or 200 fish on me at all times or blue pots since they're lighter (you don't exactly need the HP regen part of fish if you spam SP only).
ASPD Sniper will out dps you and save SP.
(Oooomg im such a hypocrite T_T. Arguing in the suggestion thread xD)