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Downtime Puzzle, again
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RE: Downtime Puzzle, again
gah... took me too long to write my answer in detail... Laugh


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11-06-2009, 03:04 AM
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RE: Downtime Puzzle, again
bah ayu said no editing, so someone find the one line of logic that is missing in my answer(again) and you will have the full correct answer
11-06-2009, 03:08 AM
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RE: Downtime Puzzle, again
Well then my way would still work. Send the 3 novices one direction, you go another. All return. If there are 2 people saying one thing thats the lie. If all 3 agree then the liars are choosing not to lie. And you do the same thing with the other 2 paths. Meet back and you should be able to tell with absolute certainty where morroc is and travel there in the last minute.




Oh and your wrong, Maces way is not 100%. For one he didn't say how he would split the novices but lets say it was 3,3,2. We know the liars can choose to lie or not so lets assume one of the 3's has 2 liars and the group of 2 made it to morroc. One of the liars decides to return and one doesn't. Now it will be impossible to know which path was right. As there are two groups that didn't return fully and if you asked them one could say the truth and other could lie and you couldn't tell the difference. This could all be solved if the player went with the group of 2 and came back but he didn't say that so its not an acceptable answer.
11-06-2009, 03:14 AM
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RE: Downtime Puzzle, again
didn't read no editting sorry, but that shouldn't stop you from reposting your answer
11-06-2009, 03:17 AM
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RE: Downtime Puzzle, again
My IGN is Mace

And Usopp i did split them up 3, 3, 2 in my post. and if 2 liars were in one group. there would b one group that completely didn't return making that the right choice, as opposed to the group where only some returned and had mixed answers. Its basically me being lazy, but the logic is the same logic of maha and raine.
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11-06-2009, 03:18 AM
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RE: Downtime Puzzle, again
man I don't do well without editting, I was thinking the novice problem only had 3 paths as you had to have come from one of them. But I guess I was mistaken. @Mace Ya I guess it does work out, my mistake.
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11-06-2009, 03:20 AM
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RE:??Downtime Puzzle, again
Captain Usopp Wrote:Oh and your wrong, Maces way is not 100%. For one he didn't say how he would split the novices but lets say it was 3,3,2. We know the liars can choose to lie or not so lets assume one of the 3's has 2 liars and the group of 2 made it to morroc. One of the liars decides to return and one doesn't. Now it will be impossible to know which path was right. As there are two groups that didn't return fully and if you asked them one could say the truth and other could lie and you couldn't tell the difference. This could all be solved if the player went with the group of 2 and came back but he didn't say that so its not an acceptable answer.

Mace did say 3 3 2. "take one path yourself, have 2 groups of 3 and a group of 2."

Secondly, your 'solutions' (for question 2) to both your own answer and Mace's "fix" don't qualify for the time limit. You can't get it done in 3 minutes with that approach. Your approach needs 5 minutes (which is the answer for question 2b instead! Hurray!)

Thirdly, Raine's "missing one line of logic" for question 2 explains why everything does fit together.




And guys, PLEASE post your IGN in your answers?


So to clarify for question 2b: Captain Usopp has the right answer.

Let the Paths be A, B, C and D.

Go to path A yourself. No problems here since you don't lie to yourself.
Send all 3 novices down to path B. If there's no disagreements, then everything is good. If there is disagreement, the two saying the same thing are the liars. Now that liars are identified and you got time to make another check for 2 more paths (due to the extended time limit), repeat the process for the last 2 paths, if necessary.




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Question 3

GMs devised the next 5 monster choices for the next ToH monster trial.

One evil rulebreaker tries to use ToH as her opportunity to try to pretend to be a GM. She will try to find out all 5 monster choices, tell it to people before ToH what those 5 monsters are, and if ToH really have those 5 monsters for the monster trial, then it'll be a fufilling prophecy and this rulebreaker will really seem to be a "secret GM legit." If she only got 4 or less monster choices though, then her own plan doesn't really work since a real GM should know all 5 without errors. Therefore, she must obtain all 5 monster choices: even knowing just 4 won't do her enough good (how greedy of her!)

GM-Ayu thought of the 5 monsters (Poring, Poporing, Drops, Marin, Mastering) and need to use forum PM to write to GM-Pandora about the monster choices. However, this rulebreaker hacked the system so that she may redirect 2 of all PMs that GM-Ayu can send to GM-Pandora to herself instead. GM-Pandora will lose access to these redirected PMs, because the rulebreaker will get them instead.

When GM-Ayu realized this, she thought of an evil counter-strategy. She will use play along the rulebreaker's "game" by sending only 7 separate PMs to message GM-Pandora in such a way that Pandora will receive the names of the 5 monsters chosen for ToH when she reads the 5 PMs (since 2 of the 7 will be redirected to the rulebreaker.) The rulebreaker will receive just 4 or less monster choices (thus frustrating this rulebreaker to no end: so close yet so far~). Rulebreaker will never get the full list no matter what.

GM-Ayu is confident enough that her counter-strategy is flawless. Her 7 PMs contained only the names of the monsters without any other word, spelled correctly and all.

Exactly what did GM-Ayu write in the 7 PMs to accomplish all of this? Explain why if any 2 of those 7 PMs are redirected, then Pandora will still get the full list while the rulebreaker will only have an incomplete list.


Prize of question 3: OCA


Note: the list of monster above is purely fictional and does not reflect Nov ToH lineup =P
11-06-2009, 03:44 AM
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RE: Downtime Puzzle, again
well if any two can be redirected each monster will have to be in at least 3 pms.
Thus If one sends, each line is a different pm.

poring poporing
poring drops
poring marin masterling
poporing masterling
porporing marin
drops marin
drops masterling

Editting for an explanation because it was wrong anyways: this works because no matter which way Pandora will get all 5 names and there is no way the cheat can get all 5. If she picks the 3rd there is no other pm that contains the other 2 so she can't get all 5.
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11-06-2009, 03:58 AM
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RE: Downtime Puzzle, again
well if any two can be redirected each monster will have to be in at least 3 pms.
Thus If one sends
poring poporing
poring drops
poring marin masterling
poporing masterling
porporing marin
drops marin
drops masterling

sorry the first one would fail, this one won't.
11-06-2009, 04:06 AM
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RE: Downtime Puzzle, again
for question 2b usopp's logic is fault, he is missing some of the critical junctions, i cant accept it

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11-06-2009, 04:06 AM
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