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heRO SvN Update
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RE: heRO SvN Update

I would like to throw a few thoughts some things too.

GR Card first:
First of all this deal will make a GR card to a "kind of" MvP Card. If somebody would be selling a GR card now, it would reach MUCH higher prices than it used to before. Just because it is almost unreachable - IF somebody would sell it. So let's assume that a GR card is almost impossible to get, since I can't remember ANYBODY who got a GR card by killing GR (if somebody did, sure, mention it).

Now let's see how many GR are there and how long the spawn time is (assuming the spawn rates are right and not failing).
4 GRs at 30, 60, 120 and 240 minutes. The 240 minutes is only reachable for guilds with castle, if the 120 minutes teles in Hidden Dungeon you are (maybe) having huge problems fighting them. Assuming enough people would farm them and kill them instantly (for example a sniper who is able to keep it from teleporting), you can kill 4+8+16+32 a day. In theory. So you could kill 60 a day (if the spawn rates are fixed). This value might be a bit high due to searching it and stuff, so let's say if people try REALLY hard they can get like 50 a day. Assuming to your battlegrounds calculation, it would take 40 days that there is a 56 % chance that another GR pops up from farming it (the chance of a GR popping up, not that a special person gets the card). This is a best case scenario based on calculations, in the reality this will be way worse. Even if enough people would camp GR it would probably still take way more than 40 days to kill 2k GRs (any opinion on this? I would suppose more like ... 60-70 days, and then it is still only a 56 % chance that only one of the people farming gets one).
But basically this proved that it is POSSIBLE to get a GR card by farming GR. So why is there a problem in removing the GR from OCA?

The problem I see is that (as Albus mentioned) that there are already too many GR cards floating in this server - basically due to fishing. So maybe the problem isn't that there is a GR card in OCA, it is that OCA is too easy to get on this server. By removing the possibility to get those "easy" GR cards the ones existing increase enormly in value. That doesn't sound fair. It would be like taking Alice Doll out of hatter or something like that. Everybody who already got one is lucky, everybody else ... *shrug* poor guy. It doesn't sound right to make a card which is already VERY present on the server to a MvP card.

Additionally new guilds already have it really hard in WoE (look at NE, Revenga) and this changement will make it even harder for all guilds who don't already have one or several GR cards.

This changement definately comes too late, the damage is already done (by fishing). Though I do understand that it can't be a solution to keep flooding the server with GR cards. So what to do?

In my opinion the problem is more the fishing itself which produces too many OCAs additionally to almost free pots and money by loots than the GR card out of OCAs. So why not changing the fishing system to reduce the OCA droprate *enormly* and keeping GR and angeling in OCAs? I know that many players might kill me for that but honestly I prefer having still a chance on epic cards on few OCAs. The server is flooded with OCAs due to fishing anyways, a thing that should be changed in my opinion. And if it is right that if mining gets nerfed in the next SvN, why shouldn't fishing get a nerf like that mentioned here too?

Another idea would *maybe* be to reduce the spawnrates of GR or/and increase their number so it can be killed more often.

I was mostly referring to GR card here, but same applies for angeling card, though this isn't as "gamebreaking" as GR.

Battleground:
Just an understanding problem. If I understand it wrong, BG isn't implemented since it would be too easy to get the "overpowered" items by setting up fights due to not enough people online? So the "PvM"-weapons are on the one hand WEAKER and on the other hand HARDER to get than battleground? I must admit that this sounds stupid for a small server.

Edit: I haven't looked into the battleground items yet but if it possible to reduce the flood of those items as Nidsrule suggested I wouldn't mind it I think XD Though it would be nice if somebody had a good link to the battleground stuff and system so I would be able to inform myself.

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(This post was last modified: 08-03-2009 08:41 AM by Zaratus.)
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heRO SvN Update - GM-Ayu - 08-01-2009, 05:02 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Type - 08-01-2009, 05:09 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Story Teller - 08-01-2009, 05:13 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Pontta - 08-01-2009, 05:15 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - JJJ - 08-01-2009, 05:19 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Millia - 08-01-2009, 05:53 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Motenai_Ronin - 08-01-2009, 05:56 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Jasper - 08-01-2009, 06:21 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Galt - 08-01-2009, 06:59 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - GM-Nara - 08-01-2009, 07:42 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Kelta - 08-01-2009, 07:52 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Aqualys - 08-01-2009, 09:49 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Ardney Wolf - 08-01-2009, 11:58 PM
RE:??heRO SvN Update - Galt - 08-02-2009, 02:35 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Ellie - 08-02-2009, 12:35 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Zaratus - 08-02-2009, 02:48 AM
RE:??heRO SvN Update - GM-Ayu - 08-02-2009, 03:29 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - GM-Ayu - 08-02-2009, 05:39 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Ellie - 08-02-2009, 08:24 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - conch - 08-02-2009, 08:32 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Ellie - 08-02-2009, 09:21 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - GM-Nara - 08-02-2009, 09:51 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - GM-Ayu - 08-02-2009, 02:31 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - GM-Ayu - 08-02-2009, 03:32 PM
RE:??heRO SvN Update - Darkblade - 08-03-2009, 02:28 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Ardney Wolf - 08-02-2009, 07:25 PM
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RE: heRO SvN Update - GM-Ayu - 08-02-2009, 11:11 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Nidsrule - 08-03-2009, 01:59 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - GM-Ayu - 08-03-2009, 03:36 AM
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RE: heRO SvN Update - GM-Ayu - 08-03-2009, 05:07 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - JJJ - 08-03-2009, 05:26 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Nidsrule - 08-03-2009, 06:51 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Zaratus - 08-03-2009 08:33 AM
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RE: heRO SvN Update - Darkblade - 08-03-2009, 09:17 AM
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RE: heRO SvN Update - Zaratus - 08-03-2009, 09:54 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Ardney Wolf - 08-03-2009, 11:01 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Motenai_Ronin - 08-03-2009, 01:11 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - GM-Pandora - 08-03-2009, 01:13 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Motenai_Ronin - 08-03-2009, 01:25 PM
RE:??heRO SvN Update - Nidsrule - 08-03-2009, 07:26 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Millia - 08-04-2009, 05:26 AM
RE:??heRO SvN Update - GM-Ayu - 08-04-2009, 06:21 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - GM-Vanadis - 08-04-2009, 05:59 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - GM-Ayu - 08-04-2009, 06:09 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Darkblade - 08-04-2009, 06:26 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - GM-Ayu - 08-04-2009, 06:30 AM
RE:??heRO SvN Update - Nidsrule - 08-04-2009, 07:07 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Ultima_Pi - 08-04-2009, 07:10 AM
RE:??heRO SvN Update - GM-Ayu - 08-04-2009, 08:47 AM
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RE: ??heRO SvN Update - Nidsrule - 08-04-2009, 10:12 AM
RE:??heRO SvN Update - Ardney Wolf - 08-04-2009, 10:19 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Aaronock - 08-04-2009, 10:31 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - GM-Ayu - 08-05-2009, 11:13 PM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Zaratus - 08-06-2009, 03:19 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - GM-Ayu - 08-06-2009, 03:35 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Pontta - 08-06-2009, 03:37 AM
RE: heRO SvN Update - Jasper - 08-06-2009, 03:52 AM
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RE: heRO SvN Update - JJJ - 08-06-2009, 11:11 AM
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RE: heRO SvN Update - Motenai_Ronin - 08-06-2009, 02:10 PM
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RE: heRO SvN Update - GM-Aki - 08-07-2009, 11:34 PM
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