heRO SvN Update

[GM-Ayu]

@Jugg: again, ep 13 isn't automatically renewal. We have *nothing* from renewal right now.


FOR THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO READ WALLS OF TEXT BUT WANT TO FIND OUT MY SUMMARY OF WHAT I THINK IS BEST FOR BG IN HERO, READ ITALICIZED PART.


@Ardney:
"A hidden benefit of this is that it actually helps newer players to fight somewhat (though not at all exactly) evenly with the veterans as they have their lethality significantly increased without requiring a multi-month investment."

Take the exact reverse: it helps veterans stomp the new players more by cutting 20% of the little defenses that they have. Not saying that you are making false claims, but it's "neutralized" out by the exact opposite, so I don't consider that a pro since it comes with an equal con.


"The Tierra Gorge and Flavius BGs are team efforts where any class can be useful since the objective is not merely to kill other players but to defend an objective while destroying your opponents objective."

Except again some class excel in one area but can't exactly take up flexible roles. BG1 still follows the same problem too though at least you got 5 minute natural cooldown against ragging the match. Instead of classifying as killer/support, BG1 got defender/attacker classification generally, and having only one without enough of the other, you still lose due to inferior class distribution. You can say BG1 fixes this by choosing. However, Small pvp community results in people knowing pretty darn well who's who, and now you can go "oh hey x player is 1337 and x is in north team but y player who sucks is in south team, I'm soooo going north."

"You're still getting medals"

Now isn't that convenient for contributing to the suicidal approach~

"(summarized) worked on iRO regardless of worries"

When you have the reasonable large sample, the teams are largely randomized fairly because spots in the 2 rooms fill up fast. Even if say we open up one room, does heRO going to get 20 people filling up at a *fast* rate to stop people from switching teams/organizing suiciders/guild hogging though...? You're demanding just slightly less than 10% of the server to join the game, and to randomize it by filling up fast like iRO can, you'll need an even bigger portion of the server population to join *consistently*.

Personally, I only see the rush of people coming to try, IF it's GM hosted. On top of GM capable of solving the very problematic team issues (which imho, is the core of all BG problems for pserver cause we just aren't some 1000+ pop serv like official), once you get the GM to call them to do the same thing though, they'll come alright~ (and by then, the big point of BG is lost: automated, freely accessible PVP. I guess you can say, "BG event" to being a form of pvp tourney then.) I think this is the best approach to BG in heRO. Depending on frequency of hosting, adjust how many badges are necessary as seem fit.

@BG equipment release? (in case if this is brought up)

Not *all* BG gears are remotely plausible in being overpowered, but once you release the stuff for some classes, you now start the first case in the book for others to say "if this class has their BG prizes why can't we have ours?" This is only a minor concern, but still a concern.

The only reason plausible for this is for technical reasons due to weapon spriting setup in the item databases.

@adjusting BG equip?

If we start adjusting BG equip, why aren't we just making a darn custom equip with our desired result? Thus why adjusting BG equip 'until they strike a good compromise' is kinda silly...

@slotted elemental armor:

no only the water one is the "iffy" one... no one cares about earth, fire is just icing but not gamebreaking. Wind is wizzy hate but wizzy seriously aren't meant for pvp in my opinion (they're a team player, and again I don't think that RO makes any sense outside of GVG/WoE). It's usually not so much weapons, but rather water marc/ED's affect on spells precast turning to crap as if it's not pottable enough. Water marc heavily negates SG (slap on glorious ring and the usual valk shield, and water immunity is obtained), resists MS reasonably well, and LoV is just pitiful even with elemental advantage. You really weaken a spellcaster's role down to "locking people" or just hitting people who aren't adequately equipped.

@"RMS script" did it!

RMS is getting weird scripts from I have no idea where... for example, Valorous Huuma Front Shuriken:

{ bonus bStr,2; bonus bDex,1; bonus2 bAddRace,RC_DemiHuman,95; bonusautoscript "{ sc_start4 SC_SKILLATKBONUS,10000,525,544,0,10; }",50; bonus bUnbreakableWeapon,0; },{},{}

There is no such thing as sc_skillatkbonus in my const file. Server says that the command is not known (I use 13923 stable for my own test dev where i made most items for our upcoming svn.) It's probably not from trunk either since trunk got autobonus already, so there's no need to use bonusautoscripot sc_start... I have no idea what's RMS doing *at all*, and their monster databases lately aren't following stable OR trunk.

The lack of "SC_SKILLATKBONUS" or "autobonus" does not allow the scripting of roughly 4 BG items. Mostly the gunslingers' stuff lol.

Suffice to say, RMS is no longer a valid authority in technical discussions as well.