Poll: Vote for what you like (for Vote for Points)
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The midgear and lower head gear, but with stats modified for heRO (enhanced if useless, tamed if op)
19.90%
39 19.90%
The midgear and lower head gear, with their official server stats (even if useless/op)
5.61%
11 5.61%
GM Service
14.80%
29 14.80%
Consumable items that give temporary bonus (Life potion, Delicious Cake, Sesame Pastry, etc.)
12.76%
25 12.76%
Monster summoning items (dead branch, bloody branch, poring box)
10.20%
20 10.20%
Enriched elu/ori
11.73%
23 11.73%
Token of Siegfried / Life Insurance
10.71%
21 10.71%
Make some of the rewards for points Account bound
14.29%
28 14.29%
Total 196 vote(s) 100%
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RE: Vote for Points rewards
Slotted mid == tragedy. Those should never appear in V4P.
Slotted low == abomination. Those would be the worst thing ever.

Imagine, you could gear a char with slotted upper, slotted mid and slotted lower. This would be something I would expect from the high rate server, not HeRO.

Matrim Wrote:Also it might mean people use the various Cards that prevent X status ailment more.
I don't think so. There are mids which protect from status (Dark Blinder, for example). Those would always be used to get easier access to things like Incubus + Succubus combo. I have never planned on having slotted glasses, but I heard from a friend I trust you can do quite insane things with those.

Corporal Wrote:To be honest, some of the mids that may be offered (peco peco ears, black glasses) are already overstepping boundaries.
I feel Corporal might be right here. Please consider class balance and endgame balance carefully before adding items like these, especially due to the following:


Usually endgame level gear can be accessed only via some insane monster hunt (say, MVP) or a low chance drop from hard dungeon (tracker's daggers / dragon combo come to mind)

Those items here are accessible for everybody regardless of planning, dungeon crawling etc. You just vote and you have them. Fair enough, if that is your goal.

But then those items disappear from voting option and go to Fairy auction. And after that they disappear completely (till next year). So if a person joins 'too late' she will hardly be able to obtain those items, unless in transaction between players. I expect the price of those to be much higher than usual, especially as Fairy Auction for this item is in the 'voting month' - I guess the item won't get much interest.

Now, if those items were just 'good' items (say, on the level of a glove[1] vs linen glove[1]) there wouldn't be a problem. You can just skip them and aim for better ones from the monster hunt. But if those are better than the best you can try to reliably get from a non-MVP hunt (say, black glasses) you have just obsoleted every other mid headgear in this type of builds and people who come too late will be in the same position as with HeRO backpacks.

Actually, in worse position, as you could make multiple backpacks and so people sell them (with a nice profit of course). Those are hard to make in multiples, so 'if you were here at the time you have it better'. This makes the gap between vets and newbies wider, which is something I would greatly advise against.

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There are only three ways I see mid headgears can be 'reasonably balanced':

1) They are weaker than semi-high-end item of their class. For example, they are something between glove[1] and linen[1]. You can always get a superior item hunting monsters (or buing them from WoE players) which are not of Nidhoggur MVP class :P

2) Every Fairy Auction features all the mid headgears. That way if you have zeny you can just get those items even after their 'voting period' has expired. Of course, this will make Fairy Auction a bit bigger mess, but it will give people a PC range for the item in the longer run, which will stop the scenario I expect to see after Black Glasses leaves the voting...

3) Add the 'better' mid/low headgears to WoE chest drops. It might lure some players to WoE (which is good for the server), it will allow a zeny transfer from non-WoErs to WoErs (which is good, as they buy stuff from us non-WoErs anyway) and, which is most important, it will give another way of obtaining endgame level stuff.

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Although I'd prefer endgame level stuff came at endgame, not because you just voted. My personal preference, don't mind me.

[sarcasm]
On the side note, why don't we add Dragon Manteau to V4P? If we want to have endgame mids here, why not other engame gear?
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Hope I contributed somewhat.
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06-07-2010, 03:30 AM
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Vote for Points rewards - by GM-Pandora - 05-10-2010, 03:02 PM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Culex - 05-10-2010, 03:07 PM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Aaronock - 05-10-2010, 03:11 PM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Mort - 05-10-2010, 03:25 PM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Iced Blue - 05-10-2010, 03:51 PM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Ultima_Pi - 05-10-2010, 04:02 PM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Iced Blue - 05-10-2010, 04:19 PM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by GM-Pandora - 05-10-2010, 04:22 PM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Motenai_Ronin - 05-10-2010, 05:19 PM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by G?n?ral_Argos - 05-10-2010, 05:40 PM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Corporal - 05-10-2010, 07:22 PM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Belthazar - 05-10-2010, 08:16 PM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Galt - 05-10-2010, 09:43 PM
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RE: Vote for Points rewards - by mahawirasd - 05-10-2010, 11:17 PM
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RE: Vote for Points rewards - by G?n?ral_Argos - 05-11-2010, 12:39 AM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Trapper - 05-11-2010, 03:22 AM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by takhara - 05-11-2010, 09:58 AM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Ultima_Pi - 05-11-2010, 10:30 AM
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RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Galt - 06-07-2010, 02:12 AM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Fyrus Carmin - 06-07-2010, 02:24 AM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Corporal - 06-07-2010, 02:45 AM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Fruityla - 06-07-2010, 03:16 AM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Irxallis - 06-07-2010, 03:30 AM
RE: Vote for Points rewards - by Aaronock - 06-07-2010, 11:13 AM
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