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Fabres RL fears
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RE: Fabres RL fears
reading through what fabre wrote, the main points i feel needs clarifying are:

1. "making us dumb" -> seems like the GOP... seriously, they all seem to have foot-in-mouth disease...

2. ultimate power -> always been a republican goal it seems, they're the ones who are always trigger-happy and they're the ones to gain more from more uneducated population (read: consumers) as the republicans have always been having trysts with big company executives... big oil, big medicine, insurance, big tobacco, you name it, they're in it...

3. greed -> dems have always been the one pushing for more tax so that they can spend more on things like affordable healthcare. The GOP, on the other hand, likes lower taxes so that the big companies can keep even more of their profits and would like insurance premiums to remain high so that the insurance companies can make even more money...

4. I find it hard to believe that the side forbidding the oil spill to be cleaned are the dems when obama totally said that he will kick BP's ass while a GOP senator placated BP /spin;

5. dominate the globe -> who's more trigger-happy again? who has more access to funds again? oh yeah, it was the GOP...

6. global warming:
A. Even if part of it is affected by a natural cycle, please read my previous post and understand how important it is to still adapt/mitigate.
B. Do you seriously believe that all the fossil fuels burned by mankind has not affected the atmosphere? Again, please read my previous post and google things like "thermodynamics", "combustion", "fossil fuels", "albedo", "radiative forcing", and "atmospheric chemistry".
People have studied these things for a long long time before the notion of global warming became popular...
after learning about all that, do you seriously believe that mankind's growth has not had an effect on mother earth?
do you really believe we can just grow to infinity without any consequence?
Do you seriously believe that we can externalize all the environmental damage we do in the name of growth forevermore?
seriously?


@Krim: +1 to the general simplification, but imho there is a lot more to it. There has been many many books about it; Information asymmetry, Tragedy of the commons, The republic, The Underclass, The Dual economies, etc.

The bottom line for me is that it seems mankind is unable to become "free" without externalizing costs. Even the earliest form of democracy (the athenian one) had externalities. They had slaves. By having slaves the athenians are free to frolic in the marketplace and talk about democracy and nation building... Sweat

The matrix (the movie), if you deep a bit deeper, could be considered a pseudo-scholarly treatise into philosophical questions such as existence, perception, etc including the externalities of life such as inter-dependency, source of energy, as well as the various intricacies of what life really is - if just more people are willing to take the right pill...

but no, most of us just take things for granted, the easy life, the simple life. A free life where we can just plough through without really thinking and rethinking about what our existence really means... As they said, the unexamined life is not worth living...


-w-
06-30-2010, 04:07 AM
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Fabres RL fears - by Fabre - 06-25-2010, 07:32 PM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Aaronock - 06-25-2010, 08:12 PM
RE:??Fabres RL fears - by Kretzer - 06-25-2010, 09:20 PM
RE: ??Fabres RL fears - by Sepharius - 06-25-2010, 10:03 PM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Sepharius - 06-25-2010, 08:36 PM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by mahawirasd - 06-26-2010, 01:17 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Klips - 06-26-2010, 11:31 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Landon - 06-26-2010, 01:24 PM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Kretzer - 06-26-2010, 01:27 PM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Niyad - 06-26-2010, 02:07 PM
RE:??Fabres RL fears - by Ellie - 06-27-2010, 01:16 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Shinibu - 06-26-2010, 02:28 PM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Fabre - 06-27-2010, 03:25 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by mahawirasd - 06-27-2010, 04:00 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Trapper - 06-27-2010, 08:14 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Aaronock - 06-27-2010, 08:37 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Kari Nogashi - 06-27-2010, 09:07 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Firenotes - 06-27-2010, 10:19 PM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Ellie - 06-27-2010, 10:30 PM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Landon - 06-27-2010, 10:41 PM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Kari Nogashi - 06-28-2010, 12:32 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Landon - 06-28-2010, 12:40 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by mahawirasd - 06-28-2010, 01:39 AM
RE:??Fabres RL fears - by Landon - 06-28-2010, 12:12 PM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Ultima_Pi - 06-28-2010, 10:33 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Zaratus - 06-28-2010, 11:03 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Kari Nogashi - 06-28-2010, 11:15 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Firenotes - 06-28-2010, 03:44 PM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by mahawirasd - 06-29-2010, 07:42 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Fabre - 06-29-2010, 12:59 PM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by G?n?ral_Argos - 06-29-2010, 02:20 PM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by mahawirasd - 06-30-2010, 04:07 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Firenotes - 06-30-2010, 09:53 PM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by mahawirasd - 07-03-2010, 08:22 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Kari Nogashi - 07-03-2010, 09:42 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by Landon - 07-03-2010, 06:42 PM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by mahawirasd - 07-04-2010, 11:12 AM
RE: Fabres RL fears - by mahawirasd - 08-25-2010, 10:54 PM

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