Pantie/Undershirt vs. Dragon Vest/Dragon Manteau

[Irxallis]

mahawirasd Wrote:cmiiw, but you don't plan on using frail flee gear for high end dungeons do you?

Although flee fails when you fight most MVPs (or when you mob too much) we actually do use a flee setup in high end dungeons on a stalker (Thanatos, Thor1, Gorge, Nidhoggur). We are not mobbing though.

I would even risk a comment of type 'due to very high dispell ratio in Nidhoggur you don't really want to hold/tank there with a non-flee character' (aside the fact with some party setups you don't need to tank there at all).

mahawirasd Wrote:and if you're using flee sets, why would you worry about mdef and def?

Ah, the incredible mdef gain is the reason for us trying to fully switch to dragon set (while agi/flee bonus is just that - a bonus and it is useful only for particular monsters - say, valk incarnation in Gorge). For example, Rhynchos (or Phyllas) use a lot of magic and magic is un-flee-able. So to properly tank/hold some monsters you need either a devo (which is extremely hard to get) or an ability to withstand some hits you are aware will ignore your flee shield.

Note I am not talking about 99 agi 1 vit configuration. The 99-1 is impossible to use in a high level dungeon, simply because in most interesting dungeons enemies stun you like crazy. In my opinion if you go agi you need at least 30 vit and as good, if not better defenses than a vit character would get - you usually lack hitpoints.

So def and mdef are very important - due to agi gear a char like that will be lacking in hitpoint and def and in stun protection, therefore one needs to squeeze as much elemental resistance and +def/mdef stuff as possible. Between being stunned and SW/StatRec an agi char needs to actually survive - otherwise it is not properly configured for the job/dungeon (note: I am talking about the primary holder, not, say, an agi hunter who is to fire from the distance).

Therefore for us, with our approach and configuration dragon set is far superior to pantie/undershirt - not as much due to agi/flee but due to def/mdef. 2 more def and 7 more mdef is more than a free goat card on your pantie/undershirt :-).

Merellis Wrote:Irx, is that a subtle hint that we should hit that dungeon a lot more?

Well, you know I love it and I need some stuff from it...