@azurerogue whut Taekwon Ranker Points as a drop from bee wings. Is that even a item. Whatever man. If it floats your boat. Back to lack of responses on bias. I am just gona drop the quote it takes time.
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-bee wings was most likely added to ease the pressure of farming for items that helps. However without wss it is biased since it would not be so game breaking. Since its a slight change in prices is acceptable - related to wss
-Lazy 2.0 discussion. We do farm them, more would be fair compared to other items in bee wings since it uses much more items in comparison.
-kill more bathory i do/many do, whats this wss slavery, if bathory would drop 2 instead of 1 wss that would nullify the need for bee wings. Since the lack of wss in bee wings is unfair.
-So its flawed to say ohh noes bathory card will spike price wise. It probably will go up slightly and not go up beyond 20m-aka that would be unsustainable. Many ppl agree with the stand point that the price will only slightly fluctuate if wss where to be included in bee wings. Aka bee wings without wss is unfair.
-yes it drops from many monsters - only 3 are reasonably advantageous to farm. Lemme go copy and paste.
Demon Pungus - drops a sucky card, and punk his minion too
punk drops @ii 2502. This is a good map in comparison to the bathory map.
seeker - Hodremlin has nice drop chances and cards probably however it requires a access quest. + only Hodremlin of the two has numerous monsters in that map however it has a lower drop chance.
But I missed something....ahh they drop one wss. Not 2 not even 3 only 1. ??
Now lets compares this to other items in bee wings since a GM made an appearance (we must respect our GM's).
Blue Gemstone - that you can buy from npc you by being in the bee wings it prevents a zeny zink.
Alcohol - drops from 7 monsters in rms and probably more in heRO, wws only 3
Bee Sting - drops from 2 monsters at 100% chance in our server. + there is lots of those monsters in 2 maps wss has lots of monsters in 3 maps.
Cheese - omg zeny generation item.
Cobweb - also drops from 2 monsters - but omg its a rare monster.
Darkness Rune - zeny generation i think.
Empty Bottle - ohh yah victory dance another creator item, however any creator should know you can farm Empty Bottle and cultivate for pp & karvo at ant hell 2 kills once spot.
Green Live - see see even arrow generation is made easy for archers. But not wss.
Immortal Heart & Karvodainirol - the most bee wing game breaking items on the list.
xd should I go on? Most other classes has most items covered in bee wings to my knowledge(hey I made a creator 2nd and never looked back, until recently) however the class with the most items used for skills has the smallest share of the pie.
aka unfair - bias.
The problem with farming wss from monsters. Hey they drop 1 at a time but verit can now drop 2 at a time. aka wss not in bee wings aka unfair. But oh so many zeny generation items was added and even a item that sells from a npc.??
GM-Rahice Wrote:I don't think that adding WSS to be wings would actually assist in any form to a Zeny Sink. Which was the original idea behind this whole ordeal, wasn't it? I lost track by now.
My personal opinion? With the droprate of other items on there that you don't even need, and with the fact people can hunt WSS themselves already and get an item from Bee Wings on top of that. People that don't need the WSS and hunt it can sell it, people that get items they don't want from Bee Wings can still collect and sell it. So, I say don't add WSS to Bee Wings.
Do I personally have my own brewer? No, I would like to eventually get one, and I know the ranking will be a nice pain in the butt, but it's a challenge. Just like hunting MVP cards. The people that are brewing still, will eventually remove the Rankers without need.
Even if the GM's were to do something to the Rankings, why would it be fair to only do something to /alchemist? What about /blacksmith?
Forger's don't get extra drops through Bee Wings. Brewers and Sinx's already do.
Bee Wings are fine the way they are.
not even a referral to bais
Anyways back to what suppream GM-Rahice said. Zeny Sink its questionable ok that is a given. Back to the previous part of the current post items like blue gemstone was removed from a zeny zink formulation. aka zeny zink did not matter to GM's at the time of the blue gemstone insertion.
Your personal opinion is valid, I like it you made a GM stance. Now lets see oh yah wss uses much more items in comparison to other items in bee wings. aka the drop rate from monsters is pretty fine considering they drop 1 at a time where you can buy blue gemstone from a npc or get 2 ih from one verit. aka saying its fine as is is unfair and biased by nature.??
I doubt that ppl hunt wss for long unless they brew aka more need for wss from bee wings. If you claim other wise now lets see its called a new invention dg you can afk practically and get the exp to trans. So the requirement for wss maps for exp is baseless. Heck i'd even advise new ppl get get party ready as soon as possible since you now get more exp from parties too. + DG since wss maps are hard to get and filled with scary mini bosses and/or drops crappy items.
the /alchemist ranking would always be a pain for everyone in there and less so for 1st since they have guild & god items aka unbeatable.
adjusting the /alchemist or /blacksmith or nobility ranking would be unfair. Totally agree with you on that. But why punish wss with it exclusion?
Really how sad that forgers do not get extra drops from bee wings. However wss is not in mining right? but all(i think) of the forger items is in mining.
Finally bee wings without wss is unfair, biased, unjust.
next post: you did not mention anything regarding the long list of: why leaving wss out of bee wings is not biased.
I got why its not a good idea, but then please elaborate why blue gemstones, immortal heart, and karvos, is in bee wings. Since this inclusion is clearly balanced and wss exclusion is not balanced. godly GM your argument does not deal with the fundamental issues of why the exclusion of wss from bee wings is fair, just, unbiased and the right thing since bee wings is there and all.??
