Massive Changes to Woe/BG

[Gojira]

Most of your suggestions make sense - except implementing WoE SE on heRO.??I don't know how the WoE scene is lately as I've been too busy to play much but last time I was around heRO didn't have anything near the population needed to support WoE SE.??And "proper" WoE SE is pretty boring.??Most guides about how to play your role well in WoE SE involve any particular class mashing the same skill and pot spamming (cf. Defensive LP Prof, Devo Paladin, High Priest (they get to mash multiple skills), etc.).??I'm not saying it wouldn't be worth trying to implement here, but the last time I did WoE SE I was actually even more bored than dealing with the BS that FE WoE entails.??Just my opinion.??

On heRO I feel like WoE SE would be a weird cluster**** but I suppose it could at least be funny.

Actually, the proper way of doing SE ended up being that way mostly because most RO players cannot handle multiple tasks at a time, at least not nearly as efficiently as you saw in videos. Let's face it, the times where guilds were filled with good players are long gone.

I'll agree that SE here would be weird mostly because there's no guild with enough players to fill a minimal roster (anything under 15 players) so it would be weird to see what classes each guild would be ready to drop and the result it gives XD

I'm reading, I'm sure other GMs are too. Constructive suggestions are always welcome.

1) What do the other ppl with mvp/boss/goditem think about this, I'm not convinced they will be as supportive as you (Shinibu), although I wouldn't be sad to be proven wrong. I think people who worked hard for their gear will say so and they wont be wrong. I'm not closed to the idea, I look forward to hearing more feedback.

2) Back and forth argument we've had dozens of time. But just for the sake of it, what if 1 guild dominates the 1 castle, it's fun for them, for a while, but then if all other guilds give up? Then it's no fun for anyone.

3) Like Albus I'm not convinced we have enough people for this. We did however want to try something along the lines of a Light VS Dark SE.

4) Some of that is being worked on, it's on the test server already, however some of the modes you mention are from a different emulator.

But how to make a woe without mvps? All players that GMs love and donators have tons of mvps and they don't know how to play without: GMs can't make this people sad. U are fool Will?

Yeah because everyone knows how much AMJ love each other! Such a nonsensical claim, as for the second, what donators? The donations we get don't even cover a third of the server's expenses, I pay it out of my pocket, ingrate!

1) I'm probably the player who holds the most god items and in the top 5 for MVP cards and I support what he's saying at 100%. Every single time I left the server in search of better woe, I aimed for ones who focused on no mvp card SE WoEs because they're by far the most equal and enjoyable ones, especially when they have the right BG to support that type of WoE. People who aren't ready to WoE without their precious little grs, drs, mvps and whatever just know they're bad and won't be able to do anything without them. Anyway, with the current amount of GTBs on the server, anyone who knows what they're doing would dominate SE, it would literally become a who has the most GTBs contest.

2) I'd agree with you if the losing guild actually tried to eco break and attack the castle the other guild owned every WoE to break their eco but this hasn't been the case in YEARS. Since the end of DoE, the extra castle has always been taken by guilds who put little to no efforts into WoE and just get a castle given to them for being able to run multiple trappers or making 10 players log on at the last 10 minutes.

3) Forget unorganized SE with half the players being on sniper, that's just silly. I'll agree the server lacks the playerbase for SE but if you promote the WoE has a MvP free SE and you actually put the right BG in place for new players to have a chance to be WoE ready within one or two months, you might be able to draw new players instead of always having the same old vets WoEing.

4) It's great to hear that new mods are being worked on but is there also going to be proper rewards associated to them (BG/WoE locked materials, NORMAL priced gears) because if not, new mods won't change a thing to the scenery, especially if you keep making BG unspammable. BG isn't made to be a zeny sink, it's made to be a speedup for new players to obtain pvp/woe equipments.

Last but not least, he specified the MVP owners who can't play without them so please, don't include me in that category. Anyone who ever WoEd with or against me on actual WoE servers knows I can trash baddies even without my qtpie itamz.