"General" PvP Rules Agreement

[GM-Pandora]

Because you actually have to count them during the fight, with your eyes, and you have 2 PVPers to check at the same time? That's much more tedious than checking people at the start only, and at the start it can even be done via npc if one is written up.

Make sure they have none at the beginning of the event and give them required pots before each of their fight... It's not 'so hard'.

That's a good idea actually.

In the matter of "potions", what if everyone was allowed 10 potions per fight, and alchemist class 20. Given by the gm before the fight starts.

The choice for everyone would include their choice of a total of 10 between those:
-yellow (no white)
-green potion
-blue potion (max 3)

The choice for alchemist would include their choice of a total of 20 between those:
- white
- slim white
- slim red (for lif)
- green potion
- blue potions

So you can get protection from silence if you choose some green, but at the cost of less healing items. A max of 10 for regular players should not make for "pot spamming" fest fighting.

The left overs after a fight would be taken away.

As for the sage converters, they're the product of a skill, not the skill itself.

SAME SHIT OMG. If a box give movement speed, its the same thing as the skill. ANYWAY, how does it interfer in the balance if someone get the effect of a skill or directly the skill?

No it's not the same "shit", authorative badges basically cast agi up. Anyhow if it was up to me I wouldn't put converters either but people seem in favor of having them and I'm not especially against them, we still have to draw a line somewhere and since this is a thread for opinions I posted mine, I don't think boxes/movement speed potion should not be allowed.

And scrolls, well I'd still say forbid them if it was up to me, because it's simpler, if we wanna get into "let's accept these scrolls but not those" it gets overly complicated. It doesn't really say on a scroll if it's from kafra or not, some of the ones ayu listed are not kafra item, they're just sitting in the database with currently no way to obtain them, who knows what plan gravity has for them (selling in kafra shop or adding to a monster).

It's like saying 'no hat allowed' because Lord's Kaho Horns exist in the database, and that we don't want to bother cheking hats even if we know players cannot get Lord's Kaho Horns. :'[

Ayu is planning for the future and so am I, we know some of the stuff that are coming ahead, we have plans for some of those scrolls/items, she gave for example the fairy auction sale. While I understand how you derived your idiotic example because we are not very precise on what is coming, let me assure you that we are not raising concerns just for the "fun" of it, but rather to avoid future issues.

If we do allow scroll, does the following seem clear enough to everyone?

"Scroll items that drop from normally available monsters are allowed."

This would exclude scroll obtained from DB-only monsters, event monsters, quest monsters and of course fairy auction and other event prize.

Overall it's important to have fair rules of course, but it's equally important to have easy rules, as in, doesn't take 2 hours to read all the fine prints and exceptions.

I tought the main goal was to make fairest rules. If we don't want fine prints, why are we doing this thread for? Reading fine prints is really a small price to pay to get a fair pvp system...

We have to achieve a good balance between fair and easy, rules should be clear, precise and easy to understand and remember. They are there to make hosting these events simpler, not more complicated. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't overly complicate them if we can avoid it.

Many people in the thread get all high and mighty and defensive and aggressive too, you seem to forget the main purpose of this thread. It's a discussion, quite open too, to add more pvp events to the server, for the players enjoyment. So take some perspective and calm down everyone.