Card Removal - before complaining after reading the title, read the damn thread

[Manifus]

(05-31-2017 03:00 AM)The Roger Wrote:  Well, we work to build up buying power to be able to outbid others on those items...

I mean no offense by my previous statement. You have earned that which you have and I would be the last person to say anything different. Capitalism ho! and all that.

(05-31-2017 04:16 AM)Spire Wrote:  I'm sorry if I upset you with my opinion Manifus. I'm trying to find a reasonable alternative for how this idea could be implemented. Without causing to much Unbalance, and use it as a tie in to help out with the economy.

Not upset at all, just have experience and opinions on the matter that I wish to voice, nothing more.

(05-31-2017 04:16 AM)Spire Wrote:  To make an argument (Again I'm not trying to call anyone out or upset anyone.) About the FA, it was my understanding that buying a unique item from the fairy auction is not rights to have it exclusively, as the items should be added for the general player base in future updates. If that's changed since it was originally set up I apologise for my Naivete.

That was my understanding of it originally, however there are items in the FA that there is no other way to obtain through in-game means, recently included items such as enchanted armors that cannot be normally enchanted (both V4P and otherwise), "refined" items as in the refined / rental items that are much more powerful than normal versions and so on and so forth.

I do not take issue with items that are "timed" exclusives (although would prefer there be hard deadlines for stuff like this as who can ever be certain if and when an item will be introduced through in game means), as that is how I feel the FA should be used as a zeny sink. It is restricting items that can only be gotten through such means by such few people that make me uneasy. I have never been a fan when games arbitrarily section off content, or create exclusive content with no intent of that content being obtainable by the player base as a whole.

(05-31-2017 04:16 AM)Spire Wrote:  I agree with you on the point of the price tag associated with an npc. But it would be hell on earth for the GMs to create a way to balance decarding prices.

An alternative suggestion would be to have it cost materials to decard something (This is only an example list and should not be taken to seriously) instead of raw zeny, that way we have more of a market for newer players to help out with.

Example:
100 Blank cards
50 squid ink
20 flashlight
200 used iron plate

Obviously these wouldn't be the items required for the quest to remove a card, but it's a much better alternative to pure zeny.

As far as zeny and who has it goes. The people with the most zeny to spend here either are lucky, or patient. Or they've been dedicated members of the server.

This is the tricky part.
On the one hand, a price too high means it will only ever be used for the most exclusive of cards, ie MVP cards / Best of the best cards because of their rarity and power level.

On the other hand, too low and it creates a new market for outmoded gear with good cards in them.

I personally prefer somewhere in the middle, as it gives players flexibility to know that even if they use a card, when new gear comes out that out-modes previously existing gear, that they are not just SoL.

This also opens up design space for the staff as they are more freely open to push the boundaries with reduced backlash for such things, or if having to re-balancing any items / cards at a later date as those changes allow for some recourse by the players.

I don't believe cards and gear should be priced on a per item basis as that will only cause more hassle for the staff and less modular-ability for the code, making things far more complicated than they need to be, and much harder to develop.

I would support a quest be associated with the feature, although I would refrain from using items obtainable exclusively through seasonal items (ie Blank Cards) as I believe if a feature such as this is to be implemented, that all players have a shot at being able to use it regardless at when they join the server.