Tournament discussion/questions

[teOx]

make top 5 have a separate mini-tourney to get more accurate results who is the best hero

"Who will claim the ultimate title to be the best of all Heroes?"

shouldnt be up to luck of the draw

[GM-Ayu]

In order to *always* eliminate the need for any extra round at all, and since my mathematical formula generating ability is limiting, we will scale down to 4 fights only tomorrow. As long as it's always even number of fights, then I can generate random ladders within 30 seconds or less without the need to pre-make the ladder, but only if it's even number of fights.

I think the pros definitely outweigh the cons. Less fun to be have because it's 4 instead of 5 fights, but now everyone will face different opponents (exact class of that opponent is still purposely randomized though, let microsoft excel handle that). New formula here has little to no excuse of free-points unless the person got kicked out/left in the middle of the tournament.

At least, in theory that's how it should work.

[Avalon_Fates]

random huh, then why does it always end with this.

Fates vs Bloody
Fates vs Tripp
Fates vs Averan
Fates vs Chuck Norris

O.o

[GM-Ayu]

Feedbacks

2nd tourney was far less confusing, even though I messed up in the end... but that wasn't the fault of the formula! I just started off with the wrong number so that was purely human error ><; but i think 2nd tourney is a lot more smooth ^_^;

Suggestion: Instead of winning by absolute points in the end, can we do single elimination with the top 4 scores to decide the top 3 instead?
-I think it's worth considering... what about the rest of you?

Suggestion: Can you not randomly select? People win by luck.
-if I choose manually, then there's talks of biased selection. Can't have it all... I'm going to keep it random as it's faster for me this way too.

Suggestion: Prebuff period seems a little random in length...
-sorry but ToH Prebuff is done by NPC, while this prebuff is me in manual mode =( I don't have a decent solution yet to this problem... stop watch i guess? but still a bit of delay in it.


Any other feedback?

[Snejk]

Just a question, why there wasn't timezone specified with the hour of the tournament? It was confusing for people who don't know what timezone the server lies in >_< I myself missed it cause of that.

[teOx]

that should have been common sense. all times are server time. did you just assume its your time?

[Ahura]

no i think he didnt know what the server time was >.> i have a suggestion for next time >.> how about giving me 5 winz by default >.> cos i am ze smex

[teOx]

copy paste for tournament discussion thread:

teOx Wrote:

Lenny Wrote:sorry, Krim, If i Had known you werent ready, I would have waited till you were, I just started attacking since the pvp timer was on!!!

- Having to fight Dyebeatus 2 times over 5 fight even if there was over 20 competitors... that wasnt fun at all .

-yes krim did say he was not ready and was prebuffing. before you started hitting, and WHILE you were hitting as well. he was ignored similar to how nubb was. its very possible krim could easily have gotten first place. krim was buffing for the first 3 seconds that his opponent was hitting him WHILE typing HEY IM NOT READY. the opponent won by 3 mammos. so yes, that would/could have been krim's match.

-i was not on nubb at the time but i came back to alot of complaints saying i was screwed by GM. nubb asked for forfeit, you asked krim for a tie, krim said no, you started the clock without warning. nubb died and lost his bonus. then ignored his many pms. that was kind of messed up. not once did you simply state forfeit was not allowed to clarify things for everyone. you ignored all mention of it.

-advice for both of those cases: in general, please ask for players if they are ready before starting prebuff period similar to toh. not once was a player asked if they were ready that i saw.

-dyeabeetus didnt get a placing. why? he got the same match TWICE. the same TIE MATCH twice. his score in the end? 3 wins, 2 ties. bullcrap? his score could have easily been 4-0-1, then with an "extra" like the other winners got, he could have gotten second or first place with same score as bloody 5-0-1.

-no winners circle. effectively the pvp tournament to determine the best heros became REALLY just a random "fight-4/5-names-picked-out-of-a-jar-and-hope-you-get-lucky" tournament.

my whines.

nonetheless it was very fun. thanks for hosting ayu

[Général_Argos]

Last pvp toh I made I remember pandora asking every time if people were ready. I think it's a must.

[Bloody]

I really don't like the system of 5 fights / gain points at all. 1 player could get 5 easy noobs and another decent player ends up against a few difficult opponents. Who wins the tournament? The player that had it easy. Keep in mind that we are fighting for the title of the BEST PVPER ON HERO. Not the LUCKIEST PLAYER ON HERO >_>

I propose the set up would be something like this:



There are no ties at all in this. Fights go on until one of the opponents dies. Or maybe a timer (5~8 minutes maybe) and when the time is up + Both players are alive, the player with more HP % is considered as the winner. Or you work out a better system.

But the point remains the same; When you use such a set up for the tournament:

- Less time needed for the entire thing.
- The best WILL rise to the top and sieze the title.
- Less whines about what is fair and what isn't.