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Richart Offline
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RE: BG

I've noticed that Battlegrounds here are a joke, and Dicing/Red-Team-Wins/etc are just a symptom of that.

Issue 1: They're Just Broken
The Battlegrounds on this server limp along as a whole, and it's a little sad to see.
KvM functions fine, it's hard to fudge up deathmatch.
Mini-WoE is fundamentally broken, since the second Emperium break instantly wins, rather than using a KotH or time-attack mechanic; there's literally no reason not to subvert this game.
Terria and Flavius fail to start constantly, leaving the Battlegrounds locked for upwards of 15 minutes without use, and in Flavius' case there are disgusting issues with Guardian AI/the map, allowing them to be dragged out of the crystal room by their own team and into the other team's spawn, or kited around the map and hidden from opponents that are required to kill them.

Tell me, do those sound like the kind of thing everyone wants to take seriously?


Issue 2: Ease of Access
Battlegrounds are hilariously easy to access; a global server announcement, free warp, and 3k/15k entry fee turn what would be a notable PvP event into an easily chainable joke used solely for coasting from 89 to 99.
Everyone is invited to Battlegrounds, and it takes less than minute to stop whatever you're doing to go idle there in Izlude; I've seen more parties drop from grinding to do BGs than player/GM-started events.
This would be understandable if Battlegrounds took place only once an hour, after all nobody would want to miss this event, but this is never the case, because if 4+ players gather, at least one of them will have keys. This means that BGs, almost without fail, will always turn into a BG-Chain, but the issue doesn't end there. If you have six or more players in a BG, you will earn enough War Points to infinitely chain Battlegrounds.

If something takes no effort to access, no effort to activate, and no effort to join, then why would anyone treat them as anything but a handout?


Issue 3: Ridiculous Rewards
Battlegrounds provide some of the most powerful equipment in the game for PvP, of with BG-Weapons dominate hands down; you would think this reason enough to participate in them, right?
Well, in addition to that, they also give War Points, which allow the purchase of WoE consumables, more PvP gear, headwear, Battleground Keys, and more. Sounds like a fruitful amount of rewards for a PvP event, right?
Hold onto your goddamn hat, because Battlegrounds also give so much EXP that levelling a character 89->99, even trans, is common practice here. I have seen 98-Trans characters bragging in Izlude about how they make almost 2% a win because of their stacked +EXP%, and double that in Job EXP.

This amount of reward, for this little time and effort, is absolutely inexcusable. Battlegrounds aren't just "Easy and non-serious" at this point, there's almost no point in doing anything else!


Final Issue: No Reason To Win
In all my time on the server I have seen people flaunt their Glorious sets and tear me to shreds with their Glorious weapons, and walk with Medals of Honor dangling from their pockets like loose change; but none of them seem to talk about BGs. Most players don't even care about fixing the matches, they're just overwhelmed by sheer apathy towards it all, and only lash out at players trying to fight because they're wasting time, because after all, losing is just 30% less points, right?

There are no announcements of PvP rank. No tally of badassdom and marked victories. Nobody has organized a team of players to fight in BGs together. There is no accessible scoreboard of Battleground Wins and statues in town of those who have dominated the PvP scene independently or with their friends.


Summary
With what I've described here, I hope anyone can see just how frustratingly broken Battlegrounds are here. They're hilariously easy to start, join, and chain, are legitimately broken even if played seriously, and give absurd rewards for minimal player input and effort without giving them any sort of meaningful status or fame for victory.
It's a system so eager to be used like this, I'd call it Bug Abuse if this were a server I worked on.


Suggestions
Remove EXP from Battleground: BGs as an EXP source is simply not right, especially at this sheer amount, removing the EXP gain as a whole is the most direct and effective option.
Change:Replace EXP Rewards with the ability to purchase Battle Manuals with BG Points. This promotes doing BGs with geared 99s, and playing once you have all the BG Points you need for your character.

Remove Battleground Keys from the War Store: BGs should not be a self-sufficient event. A group of six players can stockpile more and more keys without end, and spam BGs to their heart's desire.
Change: Add Battleground Keys as a drop-reward in events such as Poring Smash. Keep Battleground Keys to Nobility, Events, and trades.

Fix Battlegrounds: Battlegrounds are nothing but a black hole of fun that lives only to be abused at the moment. Fixing them should be a priority of the team here at HeRO if they want them to be taken seriously and to have their lategame made functional again.
Change: Make Mini-WoE a King of the Hill gamemode, where players have to take the Emperium in a shorter amount of time than their opponent. Remove Tierra/Flavius until they can be launched without costing everyone their entry fee and key. Fix the map/guardian AI so they are no longer trailable by teammates and able to enter enemy spawns/leave their crystal hall.

Allow Team-Based Gameplay:Battlegrounds are a chaotic, disorganized mess; it's no wonder people want it to be over as quickly as possible. Nobody can play together, and there can barely be any communication at all.
Change:Allow players to either start team-based BGs, organize random BGs by party, or some other, more convenient solution that would allow them to play together cohesively.

Introduce Battleground Rankings: Players are filthy animals, and they only value three things: Wealth, Power, and Fame. Give them fame.
Change:Give players a points-based ranking system for Battlegrounds. Put a set of statues in some towns/outside BGs to show who is the best around. Hell, even put a flag down with the team/guilds that are doing the best. Announce when people change rank in the Top 10~25. Make superiority in BGs count for something more than a dick measuring contest against level 93 pre-trans trying to powerlevel.


Thanks for taking the time to read this, I hope this sheds some insight on the general disappointment with Battlegrounds, and that my suggestions can be taken into consideration. I'd love to see BGs made meaningful, and not a faucet for gear and EXP.

Somebody call the fun police.
08-06-2016 12:42 PM
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BG - Child of Bodom - 08-06-2016, 11:09 AM
RE: BG - The Legendary Joe - 08-06-2016, 12:33 PM
RE: BG - Richart - 08-06-2016 12:42 PM
RE: BG - Summerstream - 08-06-2016, 01:04 PM
RE: BG - hachigatsu30 - 08-06-2016, 02:06 PM
RE: BG - hachigatsu30 - 08-16-2016, 10:54 AM
RE: BG - The Roger - 08-09-2016, 05:27 AM
RE: BG - Angel - 08-09-2016, 05:35 AM
RE: BG - Menace651 - 08-09-2016, 02:21 PM
RE: BG - Poofy - 08-09-2016, 03:50 PM
RE: BG - GM-Rahice - 08-09-2016, 09:51 PM
RE: BG - Menace651 - 08-09-2016, 10:41 PM
RE: BG - Summerstream - 08-09-2016, 11:07 PM
RE: BG - Poofy - 08-15-2016, 11:25 PM
RE: BG - Menace651 - 08-15-2016, 11:54 PM
RE: BG - VietNam90 - 08-10-2016, 11:17 AM
RE: BG - Aaronock - 08-15-2016, 11:41 PM
RE: BG - Poofy - 08-16-2016, 05:19 AM
RE: BG - Yokura - 08-16-2016, 07:00 AM
RE: BG - The Roger - 08-16-2016, 10:04 AM
RE: BG - Ayydan - 08-16-2016, 01:41 PM
RE: BG - sheam - 08-17-2016, 01:46 AM
RE: BG - hachigatsu30 - 08-17-2016, 02:52 AM
RE: BG - Poofy - 08-17-2016, 03:45 AM
RE: BG - The Legendary Joe - 08-17-2016, 03:57 AM
RE: BG - Demogorgon - 08-17-2016, 10:14 AM
RE: BG - The Roger - 08-17-2016, 06:27 PM
RE: BG - The Legendary Joe - 08-18-2016, 11:52 AM
RE: BG - Aaronock - 08-17-2016, 09:31 AM
RE: BG - sheam - 08-17-2016, 06:03 PM
RE: BG - Demogorgon - 08-18-2016, 01:38 PM
RE: BG - sheam - 08-18-2016, 07:02 PM

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