Religous views

[mahawirasd]

@krimlin>>
i must admit general that i must have overlooked/forgot that passage. However, i still believe that the main reason for his adherence to "god" is to justify his hypotheses...

and yes, luckily Sartre managed to render religion irrelevant to human life. Although sadly people still argue that without religion there is no morality, i find those arguments weak and not compelling enough. We can live in a civil society without making moral standards based on divine beings...


@danny-krins>>
well some do say "ignorance is bliss"...


@herman>>
come now, join the fray...


@lance>>
well the thing is lance, sometimes i think the scientific community becomes too dogmatic that they forget their initial assumptions...
funnily enough, apparently the religious community is also mistaken by thinking that evolution negates creation;
no matter how true evolution is, and even if Urey-Miller were right on target, they still can't negate the possibility that a divine being of some sort created it all in the first place...

due note that that "divine being" may be different from the zoroastrian, christian, jewish, islam, etc conceptions...

the thing why i always stress how inherently incapable man is to actually "know" anything is that because even when religions use "god" as a divine justification, they usually apply an "untouchable" characteristic to that divine being, rendering them unreachable from the realms of man...

we never knew anything, we don't know anything, and we will never know anything...


-w-

[teOx]

mahawirasd Wrote:well the thing is lance, sometimes i think the scientific community becomes too dogmatic that they forget their initial assumptions...
funnily enough, apparently the religious community is also mistaken by thinking that evolution negates creation;
no matter how true evolution is, and even if Urey-Miller were right on target, they still can't negate the possibility that a divine being of some sort created it all in the first place...

due note that that "divine being" may be different from the zoroastrian, christian, jewish, islam, etc conceptions...

does it effectively matter if they cant negate it? if they are right on target there's no evidence nor reason to suspect otherwise basing on empiricism. of course there is no reason to not consider the possibility of a divine being but that alone doesnt justify religion.

[mahawirasd]

of course it doesn't justify any religion, the possibilities are endless...

personally i think that if religion makes you a better person, then go ahead, be religious. I would even go so as far as defending your right to be religious. However, once it steps on public matters, there's where i draw the line. IMHO, using a personal believe as a basis for communal matters is not a wise thing to do...


-w-

[Lance]

Yeah, the world would be a better place if everyone loved one another and were kind, polite and humble. Sadly, most just want to be jerks and live life however they feel like it. =/

[Monkey Feet]

Lance Wrote:Yeah, the world would be a better place if everyone loved one another and were kind, polite and humble. Sadly, most just want to be jerks and live life however they feel like it. =/

[Lance]

mahawirasd Wrote:@lance>>
well the thing is lance, sometimes i think the scientific community becomes too dogmatic that they forget their initial assumptions...
funnily enough, apparently the religious community is also mistaken by thinking that evolution negates creation;
no matter how true evolution is, and even if Urey-Miller were right on target, they still can't negate the possibility that a divine being of some sort created it all in the first place...

due note that that "divine being" may be different from the zoroastrian, christian, jewish, islam, etc conceptions...

the thing why i always stress how inherently incapable man is to actually "know" anything is that because even when religions use "god" as a divine justification, they usually apply an "untouchable" characteristic to that divine being, rendering them unreachable from the realms of man...

we never knew anything, we don't know anything, and we will never know anything...


-w-

One thing I'd like to mention is that intelligent design does not mean religious creation. Though a religious person typically believes in intelligent design, a person that believes in intelligent design does not have to be religious.

The main reason the religious community believes that evolution negates creation, is because using the example of the bible, it says that God created all creation in 6 days. Created light/darkness in one day, created night and day in one day, created heavens and the earth in one day, people in one day. There wasn't millions and millions of years between these in order for all life to evolve. The bible says one week, six days and one for God to rest.

An interesting movie to watch is http://www.expelledthemovie.com/ Expelled: No intelligence allowed, with Ben Stein.

[Olyfitz]

Religion has been used in the past as grounds for war and also as scare tactics as people are made to think that it is ok if they suffer in this life because they will have eternity in heaven. The moral ideals that religion portray are good and fine if the religions practiced what they preach XD. What I struggle with is the idea of a higher power... Free will ftw!

[Lance]

Free will ... ever been to a communist country?
Free will is essentially dependent upon what the government gives you.
After all, the laws are what dictate "good" free will (pick what food you want to eat) and "bad" free will (buying a gun and killing someone with it)

[Monkey Feet]

Lance, but really, what is exactly GOOD and BAD?

Is buying guns exactly "bad"? What about protection? So having protection is "bad" also? Then in a way, firewalls are about the same, so we should get rid of firewalls and let hackers in because firewalls are "bad".

The thing I'm saying is, don't say what some people like/believe is good or bad.

[Lance]

Thats why I include the 'And' killing someone with it.
You can't tell me that its good to kill someone innocent? A lot of things can be designated as good or bad by using simple common sense. Another example, helping an old lady cross the street - Good.
Stealing from that old lady - Bad.


I have a simplified armory at my house, yet I never plan on using it.
Of course, you plan on attempting harm on the household, be prepared to deal with my sharp kitchen knives.