About the FISH

[Bloody]

I use fish on my Monk mainly smart cookie.

Fury - Can't regen HP/SP.
5 mins after Asura - Can't regen HP/SP.

You want me to waste 5 minutes after every Asura sitting waiting for the auto regen to come back, then another 3 minutes for my SP to fill up? No thanks I don't have that kind of time.


And Panda, that's not the only thing you can come up with. You could always:

- Leave it the way it is.
or
- Make status effects occur only during WoE and by a higher chance.

Why does it have to go from bad to worse?


I played iRO for 2.5 years, I know what it means to sit over 1/2 your playing time kid.

You really don't see the compromised that was made, all you do is complain.

I try to keep up with things. If complaining and whining gets things done on this server, might as well join everyone else. After all, this topic started with whining and complaining.

[exwing]

( to get the sum of this whole thing just go to the bottom. )

Personaly.. i like fish.. but.. .it's too time consuming... i perfer pots.. but when i have the chance i do use fish to there full extent. it is a better way when leveling my str charaters. but for some charaters that lack str and weight to carry salmon, i use pots for exact healing.

Blue pots can be bought, and whites are a snap to buy, i can have over... 2k or more whites in storage ready to be used at one time.. blue pots cost an arm and a leg but i use'em for exact healing of my sp.. something that you really can't do with salmon etc etc, i offen do carry all three with my str charater to fix either too much hp loss or too much sp loss.

adding a status effect to salmon and up is... well annoying, puting it on the big thing like the doris and nemo,.. i can understand .. they are huge items to use.

in the end it come's down to time being used, time spent buying pots... min or so going to the shop, time spent fishing... too long, as silv said, while poeple are fishing , other poeple are leveling MvPing and... well doing what ever there doing, and as for the sitting idea,... yeah.. it doenst always work with poeple... like.. ohh.. me, i sit but only when i have to go for a while but in a party... you really dont wana sit while the other person(s) is off killing alone while you look like a lazy bum. and woe.. poeple are always going to complane about woe.. i dont think there is anything on this earth that will ever stop that.

so to sum it up... fishing takes a lot of time to get fish, pots buy in a snap, some fish should be used with a status effect but not the type you can buy in a store.

[Lis and Olo]

I have a question about this, just out of curiosity.

Does this effect people that are wearing the appropriate gear to block the effect? For example, you're wearing a blinker so you wont get blinded while using salmon, or people with evil druid need not worry about the "During WoE" effects.

[Jubei]

I use fish on my Monk mainly smart cookie.

Fury - Can't regen HP/SP.
5 mins after Asura - Can't regen HP/SP.

You want me to waste 5 minutes after every Asura sitting waiting for the auto regen to come back, then another 3 minutes for my SP to fill up? No thanks I don't have that kind of time.


And Panda, that's not the only thing you can come up with. You could always:

- Leave it the way it is.
or
- Make status effects occur only during WoE and by a higher chance.

Why does it have to go from bad to worse?


I played iRO for 2.5 years, I know what it means to sit over 1/2 your playing time kid.

Yeah, I've been playing on RO for about 3 years starting June, i know exactly where you're coming from. What i meant to say was when people constantly complain about things that panda just put in to help people. Yes, sitting is annoying as fsck, but honestly, its just the way it is. The whole drawback of asura is that you can spam it. Just the way it is.

And I've learned over the years on the forums of many RO servers that its impossible to make everyone happy. There will always be playing yelling "yay" and those yelling "boo" at everything a GM tries to add something. Continue with this thread, cause items like this usually go on debate forever. Either deal with it, or wait till the entire idea is snatched away in a blink of an eye.

[Namine]

Ygg seed and Ygg berry from monsters take time... those monsters that drop the ygg seeds and berries do not seem to give too much other good items with the exception of their card maybe (but that is a very rare drop.) When fishing for doris and nemo, one can also get the other fishes like salmons, which are still very useful. Therefore, tagging a status effect on to these two strongest fishes make sense to Namine... Whatever the choices are, healing half of hp/sp or full hp/sp takes time to get the items.

But for Salmon... blue/white can be purchased, but at a cost yet instant. Fishes take time but comes at a lower cost... so is there still a need for salmon to have a status effect...?

As for angel... don't know how much it heals, so she won't comment on them.


(can always do a test trial period with the status effect, then carry out revisions in july perhaps?)

[Général_Argos]

When there was only pots and seeds and ordinary items from normal ro there was no problem. Now here we have fish that are meant to be different from those normal items. Why the heck do people want things exactly the same as one that already exist but in just better?!?


The only way to insure that custums for a server don't debalance anything is to make them less good than normal ones. In my way there would be no npc to warp to dungeons and reseting a character would cost a loss of one level, but this is another story...

[Namine]

Then why play with custom items/additions to begin with... People hop to the most powerful and accessible items or equipments, and that is just how things work~ A server making custom items have to ensure that either an item is not a power creep of another (as in, absolutely better in every way; an improvement to an original) or if it is a power creep, then it has to be high in rarity.

Personally, Namine likes the balance of elemental wings the most... it gives methods for some characters to attack/train easier even fi those characters usually got no access to fireblends and the likes, yet it is balanced out by its expensive cost (especially by the 1 card requirement.)

Certainly there are grounds where a custom item is unique in its effect, balanced out by either drawbacks, rarity or time needed to acquire the item. It's going to be hard to reach, and that's why Namine personally suggest to let the month of June playtest the new negative effects to see how much of an improvement or damaging the changes are~

Try first, discuss later...

[GM-Pandora]

Fish are unaffected by stats, cards or gears, someone wearing blinker can still get blinded.

We added a custom feature (fish), we tested it for quite some time, we noticed it might be a little too powerful if you compare to the difficulty to obtain and we are trying to balance it. Surely we will test during the month of june and ajust accordingly. ^_^

[Bloody]

The only way to insure that custums for a server don't debalance anything is to make them less good than normal ones. In my way there would be no npc to warp to dungeons and reseting a character would cost a loss of one level, but this is another story...

Then why the hell are you here? iRO doesn't have those things and it is lagfree / stable. If you don't like costum additions, go there.

There will always be playing yelling "yay" and those yelling "boo" at everything a GM tries to add something.

Amen to that.


It is understandable having bad effects for Doris Nemo and Angel fish. But screwing everyone during WoE even those who don't WoE? "WoE only occurs for 3 hours a week" And during those hours we should stop hunting? I am really not a fan of all the stupid drama that bursts on main after every WoE, that's why I don't WoE. Not everyone on the server does. What about those people?

[Namine]

At least about the main problem after woe, Mr. Bloody can just turn off main during those hours, which has proven themselves to be very effective... What Namine cannot hear, cannot hurt her feelings at all~ (It works very well during those night time hours, so she'll imagine that it'll work after woe too)

As for fish in woe map and out of woe map... guess that is more of a technical problem that cannot be solved (yet?) more than balance issue...