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RE: ToH Monster: Feedback? - Avalon_Fates - 02-14-2009 05:17 AM
Just never Satan Morroc mobs...please..
RE: ToH Monster: Feedback? - GM-Ayu - 02-14-2009 08:17 AM
I think the trial is too easy in the past, and I think that's how I earn the title of being "totally evil" as a ToH Host. 70 points is the wings, and more than that is potential OCA (or even 2 OCA.) However, I thought that the trial of heroes is indeed a *high end event* and requires heavy dedication. It shouldn't be that getting wings is a given but matter of getting the OCA. It should be challenging to even get wings at all, and the OCA goes to the "top of the top."
So far, as a "check" to see if ToH difficulty is appropriate. I have a lv 85 knight as test using +5 gears with a hodremlin card to represent all shields to certain degree, and test that way. I aim for only 30-35/50 as "fair" for monster trial. 50 shouldn't be the norm. 50 in monster trial should be for the 'exceptional.'
Thus why, if I am the host of it, then I have full intention to lower the average score from 90 back to 70-80 (GMs have records of how many points in total given out in each ToH to keep record.)
That's my interpretation and path of the event. Reading some players' comments though it's quite divided on how ToH should be: player friendly or more challenging? I personally favor more challenging, but then again I walk around with a lv 99/70 HP and a 99/50 SL, both of which are tough classes to take down in PvM.
(as for coding, honestly there is no time for it... monster changes is not complicated, but switching map or changing the system of ToH is. That's why the thread only talks of the monsters.)
As for Satan Morroc mob... they have no skill right now so they're just giant HP sack. I consider them boring unless I get to edit them >>;
RE: ToH Monster: Feedback? - Aaronock - 02-14-2009 04:19 PM
Never done item trial, but in monster...I hate going to ToH in general cause it is too damn long to get through monster.??Lately pvp is a bit long but still not nearly as damn long as monster trial feels.??Monster also is too easy usually, and I'm a person who takes their prof there.??Thought about taking stalker there but then I heard about the KSing problem in item and said "FORGET IT!"??I also did not want to switch to bow build and BB crap the whole time just to even stand a chance, it shouldn't work like that.
Honestly, I wish we could automate ToH in general more though, similar to muspel cause with the population growth and the numbers of people going to ToH slightly growing, it makes wanting to go to the events more cumbersome in general.??I imagine GM's also would like to not have to watch over it so carefully and things but then this isn't what this topic is about...
Monster is still too easy either way, I'm not using much of my resources even on prof *webs, gems, healing items.*??I'm not saying stick bio 3 mobs in there but that first trial I went to was good cause it had those Krabens and Succubuses and Green Feruses, and it just felt challenging without it being overly so (people even complained it was a challenging ToH).??I came out with only 75 points so I got around whatever the new average score is that you are trying to make the trials get to.
About ToH not being mage friendly at all, its slightly true, but a good mage class player can do well at the same time. We just don't coast through it like other classes is all =/
RE: ToH Monster: Feedback? - azurerogue - 02-14-2009 04:21 PM
Harder monsters would be fine with me. Last ToH I actually made it to I brought a level 95 Hunter (a very good PvM class, admitedly) wearing only +4 gears that fall into the Archer Set, no second accessory, and a +5 Hunter Bow[1] with a Cruiser Card in it. I brought various arrows, and some mastela fruits (which I never used). I totally forgot to bring SP healing items because I was preparing the character at 3 AM before going to sleep. I also brought traps.
Without even really trying (only used Double Strafe a few times) I earned 50 points on Monster and like 40-45 on Item. It shouldn't be that easy. Now, no matter what you do, Hunter/Snipers will probably (in general) perform fairly well on Monster Trial, so maybe this is a bad example. All I know is that, even with the current monster choices, Monster Trial sucks for Sage/Professor - if only because most high end monsters (5th round choices) have high MDef to make them not get totally owned by Amp SG (which they still usually do anyways). It's not so much that the Professor can't survive, it's that high MDef generally owns bolters (though, with siroma and imp cards, it might be a little bit more reasonable now).
I dunno, just my opinion. I'd be fine with harder monsters.
RE: ToH Monster: Feedback? - Aaronock - 02-14-2009 04:28 PM
Staff of piercing is a must carry to ToH/PvP if you even want to stand a chance these days. I would NEVER take a regular sage to ToH =/
RE: ToH Monster: Feedback? - azurerogue - 02-14-2009 04:39 PM
Meh, I got 75 points as a Sage the one time I did ToH before I transed. It really wasn't that bad. But that might have been the time Loki hosted and all the monsters were REALLY easy, can't remember. And yes, SoP is required, but even back before it was out, things still had high MDef.
RE: ToH Monster: Feedback? - Shinigami l0_0l - 02-15-2009 11:12 AM
well~~
ToH in january is my first time.
i use a Gunner around 8x
all of the monster in monster trial is good enough.
and please~~
don't give any monster that could drop any equipment
i got a mink coat[1] and a fire whip in monster trial
and it made me overw8 till 90+%
am i lucky or unlucky to get that equip on ToH??
but for item gathering~~
it's a bit hard to kill turtle general when u don't have a magic attack skill
RE:??ToH Monster: Feedback? - Fruityla - 02-15-2009 07:26 PM
Shinigami l0_0l Wrote:well~~
ToH in january is my first time.
i use a Gunner around 8x
all of the monster in monster trial is good enough.
and please~~
don't give any monster that could drop any equipment
i got a mink coat[1] and a fire whip in monster trial
and it made me overw8 till 90+%
am i lucky or unlucky to get that equip on ToH??
but for item gathering~~
it's a bit hard to kill turtle general when u don't have a magic attack skill
If you need to, sell any loot you don't want/need to the NPC in the middle of the monster trial area =3 Then you wont be at 90% weight
RE:??ToH Monster: Feedback? - Sepharius - 02-15-2009 07:31 PM
GM-Ayu Wrote:So far, as a "check" to see if ToH difficulty is appropriate. I have a lv 85 knight as test using +5 gears with a hodremlin card to represent all shields to certain degree, and test that way. I aim for only 30-35/50 as "fair" for monster trial. 50 shouldn't be the norm. 50 in monster trial should be for the 'exceptional.'
I got 15 points in the monster trial. I guess I didn't do too well.
RE: ToH Monster: Feedback? - Spire - 02-15-2009 09:59 PM
Needs more Byrogue's That is all.