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RE: Literal end of world...maybe - Seriyu - 08-28-2008
To be honest, this just seems like another reason to get freaked out about the world ending.
It happens every few years, remember Y2K? Even in medieval times people were constantly freaking out about gods trying to squash them and other countries taking over the world, maybe not an apocalyptic event, but certainly a big one
2012 is when the Mayan calender ended, not when the world was predicted to end, as a note. There has also been some theories that 2012 is when the human race enters a new age, a golden age. So it would actually be a good thing.
And as a side note on the technology is too advanced thing, that's true, if you haven't gone through the training. I'm pretty sure these guys saw this built, they've tested it, they know what's gonna happen and the possibilities. If they see it crop up, they're not going to be retarded and keep it on to see if it REALLY WILL destroy the earth.
It's all being blown way out of proportion, the possibility is there, but the idea of scientists, trained in how to use this thing, are stupid enough to keep it on when there is a specific threat of the entire planet getting stomped, is ridiculous. I'm not saying the world will never end, I'm just saying that they've been batting zero so far.
RE: Literal end of world...maybe - Teot - 08-28-2008
I can't agree more teOx, we're dooming our fate even if it might not be in our lifetime, we're just assuring it will happen. Although the benefits from what I read are phenomenal, so are the risks. My friend is a reporter on CTV news and I'm gonna try and get him to make some more noise about this. Time is getting closer and closer to risking humanity for the sake of being able to travel to different planets.
Albert Einstein believed humans to be still mentally primitive in comparison to our technology, he once said:
"Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal."
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Y2K wasn't te end of the world, it was the end of technology, which I wish it did happen T_T
RE: Literal end of world...maybe - teOx - 08-28-2008
seriyu youre comparing this to some crazy mayan predictions and some stupid y2k bug?
do we look like we're in medieval times to you? ;(
about the whole "they built it, they tested it" thing. you DO realize that the whole point of this machine is that they have no freaking clue what is going to happen right?
they plan to collide them and, using a complicated system of 6 separate experimental devices,??study the effects thereafter.
its pretty damn interesting actually: http://www.uslhc.us/The_US_and_the_LHC/Experiments
you still think theyre in control? did you miss the part where CERN acknowledges that it will probably produce micro blackholes? did you miss the part where CERN acknowledges that micro black holes can end the planet?
RE: Literal end of world...maybe - Jasper - 08-28-2008
SOooo who wants to play some mission impossible and destroy this thing. *raises hand*
RE: Literal end of world...maybe - Kadar - 08-28-2008
Yay more conspiracy theorist rubbish.
+1 to Rob.??If the world were to go this would be the coolest way to do it.
If anyone is curious and has a lot of time to waste here is more or less the user guide to the CERN LHC.??Have fun now since you apparently don't have a whole lot of time.
RE: Literal end of world...maybe - Nidsrule - 08-28-2008
I think people are overreacting....
Lets have a look at some of the info presented here.
Quote:Q: How small can a black hole be?
A: The mass of a black hole can be no smaller than a Planck Mass, which is (hc/2?< / FOG )1/2, where h is Planck?s constant, c is the speed of light, and G is Newton?s gravitational constant. Since gravity is weak, G, which sets the scale of the strength of gravity, has a small value (6.67 x 10-11 N m2/kg2). This makes the Planck mass fairly large (22 micrograms, or in energy units, 1.22 x 1028 eV).
We'll have a look at the smallest possible black holes that can be made.
Quote:Q: What would happen to such mini black holes?
A: As Stephen Hawking showed in the 1970s, a black hole behaves like a hot object with a certain surface temperature that depends on the curvature of its surface. A mini black hole like those that the LHC might produce would have a very small radius (around 2 x 10-19 m) and a correspondingly large temperature (about 1.5 x 1014 K or about 25 billion times hotter than the surface of the Sun). In energy units, this temperature is 80 GeV. At such a high surface temperature, the black hole would "evaporate" very rapidly into lighter particles: photons, electrons, and quarks, with energies ranging from 80 GeV down.
Basically the size of the blackhole shares a relationship with the temperature; The smaller it is, the hotter it gets. Starting with a blackhole of the Planck scale, they can get pretty damn hot.
Quote:Q: Could such collision-produced mini black holes be "nurtured," prevented from decaying, and made larger?
A: Perhaps, but it?s not obvious how that could be done. The black hole evaporation could only be suppressed by surrounding it with a medium that was even hotter than it was, so that it absorbed more radiation than it emitted. No such medium could be sustained. Even the interior of the Sun would be a billion times too cool to do the job. However, if you could immerse the black hole in such a medium, it would grow in mass and radius and cool in temperature as it absorbed mass-energy from the medium. Eventually, it might be cooled enough that it could be removed from the hot environment and become relatively stable.
So, to maintain one of these micro black holes and make it stable, it would have to be contained in a higher temperature region than the blackhole itself. Failing this, the mbh would be subject to Hawking Radiation Effects and basically disappear.
RE: Literal end of world...maybe - ShadesOfBlue - 08-28-2008
its just more extreme pshyco babble. You should quarantine it away with the rest of the blah blah because im sure the "were all gonna die" will pop up again with the next thing we attempt to do we dont understand.
RE: Literal end of world...maybe - Général_Argos - 08-28-2008
Thank you rob.
RE: Literal end of world...maybe - teOx - 08-28-2008
stop posting random crap rob :D
we talked for hours and both agreed that EVERYTHING is speculative and that its just one scientist's theory against another.
i didnt say the world will end, im bringing out facts and theories about the matter and saying there is a ridiculously small chance it could happen, but probably wont
regardless, the chance is there.
fact is, an experiment of these proportions has NEVER been carried out in the history of man. the energy levels we are talking about are (over 9000!) many times greater than that contained in hydrogen bombs.
RE: Literal end of world...maybe - Doori - 08-28-2008
WE ARE GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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