Seth~ Wrote:I am open to brewing slim whites for other players as long as they provide the fat whites and wws. Mind you the primary reason the 1st and 2nd rank is so way up there is god items. For that same reason I had many ppl compare me to them thus I didnt bother much afterwards.
http://www.pandoraonline.net/heRO_wiki/i...Item_Quest.
http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?iname=...rch=Search
Are you kidding me with this? The people who are so high up are only there because that particular brewer was in use constantly, with multiple people assisting in buffs, along with supplies so that they had consumables for WoE/PVP/BG/Whatever, and they got up there before any God Items made it onto the server. Hell the God Items don't even give that huge of an advantage, maybe a few % here or there, though Albus already covered that.
Seth~ Wrote:I buy like 10-20% (i think of my wws) for brewing.
Then make a 0% and save yourself the zeny.
Seth~ Wrote:wws is more numerously used compared to the items that you say it can be compared to that is excluded from the bee wings
Yes, WSS is used in high numbers, it's also, as I've pointed out multiple times. VERY. EASY. TO. FARM.
Seth~ Wrote:Bathory requires farming requires bathory armor so yah I could not in my logical mind over the long term farm wss with bee wings at bathory but I can verit, or sleeper map ect. Laziness is a product of I wanna be somewhere else that is what the GM should discourage imo.?+ I am not lazy if I buy a tiny fraction of my wss from ppl.
Why was bee wings added?
Your primary argument is that adding wss to bee wings will be [too] beneficial to some brewers, zeny wise. In addition you attack the basic idea behind bee wings. That is what I get from your argument. yet you do not reply on
Bathory's do not require Bathory armor, they can get you Bathory cards though which is pretty awesome. As for why Bee Wings were added, how the hell should I know? Go ask the GM's that added them.
My primary argument is that there is no need to add WSS to Bee Wings as these items already drop at a 100% rate per kill on two monsters that you can easily mob up and kill, with one of them giving you a highly sought after card for areas like Nydhogg Dungeon.
Seth~ Wrote:I'd be so sad if you concede that its biased to leave wss out of bee wings.*insert a fake pic of Merellis picketing against bee wings*
I'm not conceding, I just don't feel like continuing the argument because whenever someone proves a part of your reasons to be false, you immediately jump to another reason, or backtrack to previous ones that we've already pointed out to be stupid reasons.
Price too high? Then don't buy them, just go kill some Bathory's, get a card while doing so and sell it for a neat profit.
Low Supply in Vendors? Go kill Bathory's or other monsters that drop them and increase your own supply.
God Items destroying chances to get in Alchemist List? No they aren't, you're just using that as an excuse to quit trying. Knock it off and get back to brewing, or join a WoE guild and hold a castle for a couple years to get your own God Item. Or join a guild with a good brewer and just get your stuff brewed there if you're gonna give up because some people have been brewing for years on this server.
Seth~ Wrote:Yes and by adding wss it would bring bee wings into more of a balance with other items added in bee wings. The general tenancy to increase class specific items required for skills got a major boost from bee wings. In the long term such acts will probably make the server more healthy. Laziness is a product of I wanna be somewhere else that is what the GM should discourage imo.
Actually, given that there are places to already easily get these items, I just say they're too lazy to go farm the damn things and want an easy solution that doesn't require putting in any effort what so ever. This is a low rate, shit comes to you with effort.
Seth~ Wrote:In conclusion as someone else pointed out. http://pandoraonline.net/forum/showthrea...819&page=3 Most ppl out there in the hero server believe its ok to keep things the way they are. This whole thing feels like a class based act
Class based act? How so?
I don't think that older players have an advantage over everyone in farming WSS, given that Bathory's are Demi-Human and Shadow, so a Bow with 2 Santa Poring cards and 2 Hydra Cards, along with Silver Arrows should give you enough damage to rip them to shreds quickly.
And given that Santa Poring cards are hatter, they're around 350k in total, along with Hydra's being 1-2 million generally. Though, these are also simple monsters to hunt down and kill so it shouldn't be too hard to acquire them in a timely manner anyway. Meanwhile Silver Arrows can be bought by NPC's all over the place.
I also don't think you're actually reading and thinking about what we've been posting as you've just been going on about the same things and complaining about god items, class differences, and prices in the current market. So lets see what sort of response you have today!