Snowhawk
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RE:??Add WSS to Bee wing!
Poring Slayer Wrote:Quote:Fabrics, Bee stings, Immortal Hearts, Web, Gemstones (they are specific class materiels) They drop VERY often
i didn't see any fabrics from the bee wings lists..
it's better to add fabrics first than WSS imo
I think they were removed when Stems were added to the list. The Wiki list used to be flat even but now there are two items (table boxes) missing and I don't remember what the other was.
Weapon Wrote:WSS aren't even hard to get, and the mobs that drop them (hodrems, bathory) aren't bad for solo-leveling new chars.
Frankly I never saw having *any* WoE consumables farmable via bee wings as a good thing and people *still* complain about the WoE front here. Having the ability to tank almost every onslaught or rain acid bombs or charge up with EDP is supposed to represent hours of hard work--not a short cakewalk in juperos, where the average level of the 260 venatu down there is ~76.
Fat and lazy oldbies stay fat and lazy and potent
I felt the same when they were trying to add Stems to the wings. I mean 90% of the time I double drop Stems with regular rates when fighting Les. I can maybe kill 100-300 depending on how bored I am in an hour with my Wizard. I tend to only play for an hour spurt at best and its usually on my wizzy.
I don't even remember how many Stems or WSS I have in my bank. I get so many just from training I tend to NPC sell them cause its almost not worth the trouble to open a shop that people can find/use when I feel like emptying my storage a bit.
I usually leave my guy in Izulde since Behe was usually there and tried to sell exclusively for them XD but people eventually stopped buying from my merchy, seriously, go an entire week and not one item sells when I undercharged that week...for shame, so I sorta just stopped bothering opening up shops.
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11-13-2012, 11:26 AM |
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azurerogue
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RE: Add WSS to Bee wing!
I haven't read the whole thread, and I don't totally oppose the addition of WSS - but how exactly will increasing the amount of WSS increase the amount of new players sticking around for WoE? The people who join WoE and then stop aren't typically quitting because they lack condensed white potions. There are a number of reasons they quit, one of which is that it's not as fun as they had hoped. WSS does not solve this one.
For those who DO quit because farming materials is a pain AND play a class that would benefit most from easily farming more WSS, this doesn't REALLY increase survivability, does it? For every WSS they could more easily get, the veteran players can get them easier as well. I would even tentatively posit that most of the players who would not stick around WoE for related reasons probably don't have Bee Wings.
I also don't REALLY think this provides a zeny sink. Frankly, if anything, I'd just continue to farm things that make more zeny and buy WSS from other players. Thus, I'm still adding as much money to the economy (unless you count the small vending tax) as I would have been before. It's just now I would have even more time to farm zeny because WSS prices would likely drop somewhat so I could buy even more freeing up time I would have spent farming them myself. Woo!
The one result I do see being (kind of) relevant is that it would update the brewer list - but that will happen naturally on it's own anyways and, again, increasing the speed at which this kind of stuff happens benefits veteran players FAR more than new players (again, in part, because new players don't typically have Bee Wings).
That's all I've got.
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11-25-2012, 07:10 PM |
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Kittie
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RE: Add WSS to Bee wing!
I disagree with that statement, because first of all players don't need WSS added to beewinge to 'update' the ranked brewing list, they are easily farmed already as they are now. If people wanna make a ranked brewer, they will get there, you don't need WSS in beewings for that, remember that you can also get ranked from other stuff then brewing c whites.
Second, the GM's won't do anything about that list, and why should they? They haven't done it in the past, and i doubt they will 'kick' anyone from it, as time passes the list will update itself. There are inactive/quit and even banned players in the ranked nobility and forging rankings too, these people once worked really hard for their position on the ranking. I understand your statement on the banned players but removing them will also have a huge influence on the points/bullion's of the current list with ranked brewers/forgers/nobility.
I also voted no for adding them to wings, i think they are easy enough to get as they are now, they also make us go to places who will most likely be ditched/never or hardly visited after being implented. Saying people still have to farm them, sure but if they where to be implented that means you can farm at different places and still focus on doing more things at one time such as zeny farming, farming for WoE etc all just combined, which already happens now but with WSS that will only make zeny farming/material farming too easy Also if i look a the droprate of most items (and the level of the 'most' farmed monsters), and assume WSS will stay around that rate, they will drop in insanely huge numbers in a very very small amount of time, at such rates you will never get then at your normal leveling/farming spots. I also don't see the zeny sink people are stating as an argument, the demand for WSS is quite high here and with that demand the price will most likely not drop or only a little, though all the monster loots (such as cards and yellow gems) will increase due to getting visited less/not at all.
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12-09-2012, 06:18 AM |
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