Seth~
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RE: Add WSS to Bee wing!
azurerogue Wrote:Define zeny sink. The whole point of one is to remove zeny from the economy. Adding WSS to bee wings would not REMOVE zeny from the economy, it would only (POSSIBLY) slow down the rate at which zeny is introduced (interestingly, from the same item-generator). But it's not guarantee. Adding WSS is not a zeny sink - simply a zeny manipulator.
+1 I guess you can say it like that.
I also agree the zeny zink is very iffy since it is reliable on the usage of the wws in the bee wings option. But if anyone is to support the continued exclusion of the wws from the bee wings. Please explain your reasoning like ChaosPrince has done for the inclusion of wws in the bee wings.
ChaosPrince Wrote:Again: this update will:
-Increase survivability in WoE = increased participation (aka noobs will stick arround);
-Enhance economy in different ways (Zeny sink+card values);
-Update ranked brewer
And the first and last arguments =/= lazy.
You still have to farm them, you still need to work for them. Furthermore, I don't see any problem related to "easiness". Matter of fact, WSS is vended at 1600~2000z each. I can farm, let's say 3000, cheese in a few clicks. OC sell them to NPCs and Buy the WSS off the players. The end result will be the same. Instead of adding 4.8 million ~ 6 million to the market, I will get 3000 WSS instead, and buy 3000 White pots (900z each) + materiel to brew Slim pots. (Zeny Sink vs Zeny pile up).
So extra argument:
-Zeny sinking!!!
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12-09-2012, 11:51 AM |
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ChaosPrince
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RE: Add WSS to Bee wing!
Although Seth is asking for Azure to explain his position, I will give more detail on "Zeny sink"
200 White pots with discount lvl 10 = 182 000z
200 Medicine bolw = 1600z
200 empty test tube = 600~1000z
Again, I have not met a Brewer who can 100% for slim whites.
~80% (without full party)
~93% (with full party/gear/food/pet/MC, ETC).
SOME White pots + WSS + Test tube + Medicine bowl will POP.
Furthermore: HOW many Slim whites you use in WoE? How many white do you burn in BG? (since they are more available, people might even use them for luring/mvping). EVERYTIME someone use 1 slim white pot, they burn: (White pot 920z+WSS 1500z+Medicne bowl 8z+empty test tune 3z + the failed pots average)
Multiply that number by all the people who pots...
Economics 101
Then, zeny sink can also be defined as loss in value, less profit:
When the offer is greater than the demand, the price will shrink. When the demand is high but the offer is low, the price will skyrocket.
If you tell me the PvMers will use bee wings to farm WSS and sell it to players (like they do currently) instead of selling them for 1500~2000z each, we might be looking at 1000z~ each since the offers "MIGHT" increase. Thus, less zeny entering in the market without "stopping it"
On the other hand, WoE:
Potting -> increase survivability -> New people will feel LESS overwhelmed by the vets -> Increased competition -> increase of ressource spending in order to kill (AD+EDP+Traps+Blues, berry, WHATEVER you use) -> zeny sink.
You guys can say this is my "interpretation" or prediction, or all this might simply not happen. However, if we don't try it, how will we know? The GMs did implement the MVP death record (server broadcast) for 2 months. Why don't we try the same thing, add it for a moment, and see if it works, remove it if I am wrong.
-CP-
To those who royally objects to this proposition, I feel like:
1. You don't want the noobs to live.
2. You want them to be easy to kill, saving you lots of troubles.
3. You know you will loose your rank in /alchemist, cause you are not brewing.
(This post was last modified: 12-09-2012, 12:38 PM by ChaosPrince.)
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12-09-2012, 12:30 PM |
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