Participation points for Mass PVP

[Kain]

GM-Circe Wrote:It's happened more than one, and usually within a fairly consistant timeframe.

That is a fair sentiment, patterns are reasonable to use. On the surface it seems like the whole situation is something that happens for any number of reasons that are all difficult to measure. So in that respect assuming it will switch again without knowing exactly why the switch happens and anticipating it... Would be kind of silly. It may happen, but the idea of using it in an argument when no one has solid data is odd.

Again, patterns are reasonable enough to mention. I didn't say all of that to make it seem like my first comment was made in sarcasm. xP

[Fruityla]

GM-Circe Wrote:Linnea; We've already been trying to do that. Last monst was 5.5 hours from memory, and that half an hour was due to GMs being called away.

Nice

[poeticwings]

I don't agree with this suggestion of "participation" points. It seems like an excuse for people who simply can't get their 70 points with 3 previous trials. Trivia questions now give 5 points instead of 3 like years ago and it's no longer first to answer gets the points. Isn't that enough of a bonus already? (And don't complain about the trivia questions. If you can't get past those then why don't you try harder in monster/item/pvp?)These participation points for mass battle are nothing but FREE points. Losing team doesn't even need to do anything to get five points? If this were implemented, then some people who expect their side to lose won't even try: "Oh I have 65 points already. I'll still get wings if we lose." Wtf?

Changing the sprite for dark wings isn't possible or likely. Why? There are plenty of people with 5th gen dark wings already. Some with more than than one pair. What are you going to do for the people who like the wings the way they are? And no, we do not need a 4th set of 5th generation wings.

In any case, if you want the wings, work harder smarter.

[mahawirasd]

+1 what Ayu said regarding it being a test and not a free give away...

and perhaps on the same reasoning (because you said 5 will only lower turnout) making it 15 or 20 might increase turnout?


oh and fixed:

poeticwings Wrote:In any case, if you want the wings, work harder AND smarter make a hunter.

-w-

[Manifus]

mahawirasd Wrote:oh and fixed:

poeticwings Wrote:In any case, if you want the wings, work harder AND smarter make a hunter.

-w-

Aside from stating the obvious (and yes hunters make everything easier), the ToH system has been longing for a revamp.

Keeping in mind, 'what is the purpose of ToH, and how can it be balanced to make it viable for every class, and perhaps automated in which more can be done at once (because honestly, 5 hours for a single event in which 70% of your time is waiting for your next turn is ridiculous)

This isn't Disneyland, and for such an 'important' event efficiency will dramatically improve the event as a whole.

I understand there are a lot of hardships that come along with being a GM, so don't get me wrong, I am trying to give constructive suggestions.
Massive 'one side versus the other' are always unbalanced, due to the innate nature of one said being favored over another. Happens all the time with any other game that gives you such a choice. Such a thing cannot really be equal/fair no matter how you look at it.

Personally I would suggest getting ride of the need for it, in exchange either reducing the cost of everything by 5 and making it completely 'for fun' or just taking it out all together.

[Matrim Cauthon Jr]

I'd be totally cool with the wings being easier to get or the event being just for fun.

[poeticwings]

mahawirasd Wrote:+1 what Ayu said regarding it being a test and not a free give away...

and perhaps on the same reasoning (because you said 5 will only lower turnout) making it 15 or 20 might increase turnout?


oh and fixed:

poeticwings Wrote:In any case, if you want the wings, work harder AND smarter make a hunter.

-w-

Actually saw hunters struggling in ToH by observing who exited each room and who received 0 points. Yet sharp and Hoshise can get wings as baby hunters. That's just sad.

poeticwings Wrote:In any case, if you want the wings, work harder AND smarter make a hunter learn how to play your class.

[TPC]

I totally agree with what Ayu said. Rather have some other price than points for mass battle.

[Krumb]

If one were to make the mass PvP a prize only event, it'd have to be a very good prize for people to still go. For example, if I received 70-100 points in item + monster trial, what's to stop me from leaving and trading in for my wings later? Sticking around through PvP, trivia and then mass PvP would be at least an hour, probably more. In that hour one could probably farm up most of the prizes from ToH, with less competition since 1/4 of the server is still watching Herman smash someone into the ground with his cart.

If prizes were introduced for mass PvP, adding 1-2 more question(s) to trivia might keep more people around. These means the possible points from Mass PvP is open for everyone, without relying on allegiance members sticking around. Furthermore, this would also appease those who use classes not well equipped for ToH by giving them a better chance at getting wings.

[Ultima_Pi]

Krumb Wrote:In that hour one could probably farm up most of the prizes from ToH, with less competition since 1/4 of the server is still watching Herman smash someone into the ground with his cart.

This assumes he remembers to bring money.

poeticwings Wrote:Actually saw snipers struggling in ToH by observing who exited each room and who received 0 points. Yet sharp and Hoshise can get wings as baby hunters. That's just sad.

Fixed.

poeticwings Wrote:In any case, if you want the wings, work harder AND smarter make a hunter learn how to play your class.

Quoted for truth.