I'd like to know what your getting from fishing then <.<;; Because I know for a FACT that my net gained vs net spent at the fishing hole is nowhere near yours, because you're saying you get 3/4 back of what you spent. So either a) you're selling your fish or b) you're getting REALLY lucky and getting lots of opb's, obb's, and oca's.
Also, I was using your example because I guess somehow by adding the weight of fish that you somehow net more zeny from it o.o; So I was using your numbers as a physical showing of how that is o.O; (wasn't trying to single you out or anything you were just kind enough to provide #'s
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Honestly I have yet to ever get 100 of 1 fish type when I've gone and fished once.
Quote:My point was that has I been farming herbs in the yggdrasil tree it would've taken me 2-3x longer.
The above quote elaborates my point. I really don't see how making the fish heavier equates to doing anything except spending more time fishing/going to a kafra while hunting/getting overweight faster/etc...
Quote:There are few if any benifits to using blue or white pots anymore unless you're an alchemist.
Now I'm going by what I catch right now - All the basic fish and a "rare" angel fish. (I don't have 50 points because I don't fish all that often <.<)
1 salmon = 1 white pot
and 1 blue pot
so at a 1/1/1 ratio 100 salmon = 100 whites and 100 blues.
There's no loss in usefulness there that I see.
Now let's compare prices again:
100 whites will run you about 120k z without discount (which tbh a rogue's haggle skill will net you a little less costing - 24% w/merchy vs 25% w/rogue - yes I know "ooo a whole 1%" but when being tight with your zeny that 1% comes in handy). Now it'll take a whole 2 seconds to
guarantee that you'll get 100 whites, whereas with fishing you have to fish until you get 100 salmons. Which that may take you 20k~30k with 2x (if not more) the time to take to get (I doubt it'll take you more than 3x fishing unless your fishing points are lower than mine). So currently the price of fish is 1/6~1/4 the price of pots with 2x (if not more) of the time.
Now I have no problem with raising the price of the baits as long as it's reasonable. 20k~25k I could push but anything higher than that kind of defeats the purpose of even having it =/. To me, fishing has never been a matter of making things easy, just something to add fun to what can be at times a very repetitive day in game. [Ex: Buy pots to the point where you are 50% overweight (or w/e u prefer) then go leveling only to autoloot everything (yes I know you can adjust your autoloot but isn't it just simpler to autoloot everything (since the point of this debate is to make zeny and pots more useful) that way you are getting more zeny to buy those pots -> have to make a trip back to the kafra to unload -> restock on potions if necessary -> spend money for warp/bgem cost/etc... (yea I know isn't that much but it adds up in the long run) or if you are unfortunate to have neither the warp unlocked or the aid of WP then you have to walk or purchase the warps through the kafra (if you forget to unlock town warps as well since not every new player will be accustomed to doing so). After a while that gets boring and people lose interest, it's kind of why I left the official server.
Now after you think about the time frame it would take to net back the money spent (based obviously on your level -> higher levels will net zeny back faster than lower levels) vs the time spent fishing, the more convenient way is to fish. Do you have to fish? No, you don't, really nothing is stopping everyone from going and buying pots.
I still have yet to really see what makes fishing unfair or unbalanced, aside from it saving zeny... and even then I don't see why that's a problem when people want more zeny
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I merely say that because people are debating that alchemists are useless. Everyone does realize that a condensed white heals more than a normal white and weighs 3x less right? So if people, or I guess I should say alchemists, start making more condensed pots then maybe people will buy them instead of the fish, because if they were cheap enough then that'd be more convenient for me while I'm in a power leveling mode than having to stop completely and spam click + enter while sitting
Now I'm sure you'll ask, "Well if we make condensed whites, why would people buy them when you can just have fish that heal hp and sp?"
IMO, fish sometimes aren't always the answer. For example when power leveling I'm not dependent on my skills 100% so my sp loss is never that bad compared to my hp loss. Fish that weigh 30 that heal like a white pot and a blue pot are less convenient for me than a condensed white potion. Because honestly, I don't need the sp part of the fish, I just need the hp part. So for 1 Salmon (30 weight) -> I could hold 6 condensed that would heal more hp than that salmon.
So honestly I don't see where it's unbalanced aside from it's inability to show an animation during woe/pvp.
My votes:
Raising the weight: No
Raising the price of bait: Sure, as long as it's reasonable
:edit: I apologize I keep forgetting I type way too much
also fixed something I left out x_x;; sorry
:edit2: just thought of something else for sal/kamon (whichever is posting)
If you like when I get a few more levels on my rogue, I'd be more than happy to set something up with you regarding blue pots